Teachers should have to follow the same rules

I understand your point. But after thinking about it, I don’t agree. Look at the outrage over the lack of accountability with Epstein and friends, when Boris had a party in Covid and the rest of us were locked down etc. As a society we do expect rules to apply to all, and rightly so. Why shouldn’t that be the case in schools? Perhaps we should expect more of teachers, they should be setting an example. If there are rules, they should be followed.

YABU to support uniform. I don’t agree with it. Other countries with better education than ours - e.g. Finland - don’t have it and the focus is just on being comfortable and ready to learn. It’s about control and it serves no purpose, let people decide later in life if they want to wear a uniform.

That said, my kids’ school drop blazers in a hat wave in favour of PE kit. They have to use an actual (shock, horror) pencil case.

Hahaa. In my school the kids don’t have a uniform but staff do!

Oh but the blazer is such a versatile piece of clothing! Pencil case, holder of notes and calculators, headscarf in a rain shower, picnic blanket on a sunny day.
On mufti day no kid has anything because everything is in the blazer!

This is the UK, we seem to love school uniforms here (I don't!)

I remember someone years ago on The Wright Stuff talking about her school only allowing blue hair bands, and if it wasn't the right shade of blue you got sent home. 🙄 It was so ridiculous it's stuck in my head!

Someone on here confiscated her DD's school blazer and sent a note to the school about it during the heatwave we had in 2018, because they were making the kids wear wool blazers when it was really hot.

They don't wear short miniskirts, they start the day in a normal length skirt and by the time they're out of sight the skirt has been rolled up to within a millimetre of their pants.

Twas ever thus. My sisters in their 70s did the same in the 1960s. Curiously none of my cohort (mid to late 1970s) did.

If I get comments like this from the children I teach I also like to point out that unlike them I get paid to be there…

I have hand and wrist tattoos and a nose piercing. I also dress very smartly to teach. Never had a problem at work or in 25 years getting a teaching job.
At legal ages for these things our school allows them, alongside a smart uniform policy. Skirts must be a certain length and boys and girls can wear smart long shorts if they want in summer. When the weather is hot, pupils may wear their PE kit to stay cooler.
All eminently sensible imo.

That's easy. Teachers can generally be relied upon to wear appropriate clothing. If really necessary, a quiet word to say that an outfit wasn't quite appropriate would be sufficient. On the other hand, it wouldn't be too much of an exaggeration to say that teenagers' default position is to not want to follow the dress code. Rolling skirts up is the norm. There comes a point where it seems reasonable to say 'Well, if such a high proportion of you refuse to wear your skirts at a reasonable length, the answer is to ditch skirts and just have trousers. Don't say we didn't warn you 8 billion times.'

I think kids should be able to wear their hair like they want. I don’t get ‘unnatural’ colours somehow affecting behaviour or attitude. I think it’s awful to restrict anyone from looking like they want to.

I would never encourage my daughters to wear short miniskirt to school. They are there to learn not show off their legs and bum. What are parents teaching their daughters to do?

I actually find this line of argument fascinating because it reveals that parents believe teachers to be children. Because they’re in a school, perhaps? It’s tough to catch the logic.
The fact of having gained a degree and then a post graduate qualification before securing employment at a place of education seems to be absolutely overlooked.
It actually makes sense of the reaction that parents take to their child being disciplined at school - this is approached as a bickering or falling out between peers rather than a breaking of institutional rules by a child.
No wonder the teachers are fleeing in their droves!

I am constantly having to explain that we don’t have a staff uniform so no it isn’t a huge “gotcha” to point out that I have my nails done. I can look children in the eye and tell them they are not allowed to do the same because they are school children with a strict dress code. I am not.

If there’s no difference between teachers and pupils, then there’s no difference between men and women, kids and lampposts, polices and criminals. Let’s just lump absolutely everyone into one big pot and say the same rules apply to all. Then let’s revisit that after some time has passed and see how society is faring.

I don't know, the uniform codes and restrictions are themselves often petty and pointless.

So if the school's going to have petty and pointless rules for the students, why not go full petty and pointless and impose them on staff as well?

Adults are not children. The role of a teacher in a school is not the same as the role of a student. Adults and teachers should not have to follow the same rules as children. Why would anything think they were the same, or should be treated the same? This shouldn't even be up for question.

Yes it’s ridiculous but so is banning skirts for girls - they are more comfortable than trousers in my opinion and for girls who aren’t “perfect sized” fit better

They want to ensure from a young age they are taught to obey the rules and not to question anything.

I think this this a dangerous way to think. What if we always just agreed with laws in place because our governments said 'thats the rules'. Women wouldn't have a right to vote for one. It's good to question things. It's how improvements are made. It's how change happens. If a rule can't be shown to be in the best interest of anyone, it should be questioned.

My son sent me a video a few years ago. There doesn't seem to be many differences between the two. Children can go home and inmates can't.

https://youtube.com/shorts/06GrPJYwb-E?si=IBJSiWvRYjxVbM--

I do hate the whole school uniform thing in this country.

I do see girls flouting the rules with tiny skirts, which just cover their pants, when the uniform is a pleated skirt to the knee or trousers ( our school)

But I also think the whole concept of school uniform is antiquated.

I’ve seen school kids abroad, in jeans t shirts and colourful rucksacks, I’d much prefer that for our kids.

Instead, we have sweltering clothes in the summer ( compulsory blazer) , and the lack of facility to store wet coats in the winter ( no cloak room, or lockers)

A local school did away with blazers and a need for badges, and were happy for the kids to have black trousers or skirts and plain black jumpers and a polo shirt.
Readily available in so many shops and stores.

Less expense for the parents, and a small step in the right direction.

Not many workplaces have strict uniform requirements anymore, and if they do, they have policies setting out what is required.

We need to take one little bit of stress away from our kids, and do something like a jeans and t shirt uniform.

Relatively cheap, colourful and affordable.

My complaint is sock colour. Especially as there was a rule that socks couldn’t be seen. Or and the blazer and sweater jumper not allowed to be removed in a boiling hot classroom. My DD use to often feel faint. Because she didn’t drink any water as no time between classes to visit toilet.
The detention if late, even if bus didn’t turn up. Which I had screenshot of chat talk with bus company. Was told she should walk a mile on a national speed limit road, no street light and no path. Which was very bendy and dangerous.

There’s a safeguarding reason for the no coats indoors rule. It means every young person in the building is recognisable as a member of the school. Like staff wearing lanyards. This might seem extreme - but I don’t think many members of the public are fully aware of the kind of risks many schools are managing. I worked in a school in an area of high crime, where a young person not from the same school got in with a knife. They, along with lots of the kids at the school, were wearing a coat indoors, so it took longer to recognise them as an outsider. After that, the school said no coats indoors. I doubt they’d have bothered to obtain a school uniform in order to pull the same stunt.

There was a teacher at my daughter’s school who was always dripping in jewellery including toe rings and huge fake eyelashes - I do think in this instance she should have toned it down because students do question it and then they feel like they can do the same.