To think that no racist ever admits they are a racist

What?
I have not said that undocumented people should be welcomed.
I have said that asylum seekers should have the opportunity to seek asylum and if they are accepted, they should be welcomed. Nowhere in society would need to lose out as they would work here and earn their livings.

In the spirit of the thread - do you think that what you have said is racist?

I'm sorry to say i've heard sooooo many comments like that over the years, here's a few examples;
"There's so many brown people on the bus these days"
"My neighbour is black, but she doesn't have a chip on her shoulder and her house is clean"
"My team scored last night, i woudn't mind but it was one of the black players again, i wish they'd give the others a chance"
"She's a muslim, so she probably has to walk behind her husband"
"They're african so they're probably more used to death than we are"

The list goes on.. and all said by people born before the 50s. It's just a fact that people used to talk like that back then, none of them were trying to be offensive, there was just no awareness of the prejudice in their statements because it was normal to them. There are PLENTY of racists in the generations since, they're just unlikely to come out with statements like that in such an un-selfaware way.

So if it's men that are a problem and a threat in general what difference does it make what country they are from? And plenty of asylum seekers are women and children.

People who are always going on about 'illegal immigrants' should be saying 'male immigrants' if that's the thing that makes them so unpalatable.

Everyone is in a box now days, some boxes it’s fine to kick, others you can’t even look at. It’s the church of Wokism - just as hypocritical and mindlessly followed by those who can’t think for themselves as any religion

You are being incredibly disingenuous.

The overwhelming majority of Ukrainian refugees were women and children; the overwhelming majority of immigrants arriving by boat and other means from Calais are men. Men who, whether you like it or not, do go on to commit violent and sexual crimes against women and children.

It is not in any way comparable.

The refugees from Ukraine were welcomed into people’s homes purely because they were women and children; not because they were white. Do you think it would be reasonable (or indeed safe) for the young, most likely damaged, men arriving by boat, with zero identification, to be welcomed into people’s homes? Would you take in one of these men?

It is really odd for you to frame people offering up their homes to white women and children and not back and brown men, as being about racism, rather than risk.

Am I really having to explain to (who I presume to be another women) that men pose a far greater risk to women than women and children do? Is this for real?

I am genuinely curious as to what you consider is comparable in these situations?

Undocumented asylum seekers shouldn’t be wondering round freely either though, Britain is an asylum target area. The asylum system needs looking at, being an asylum seeker should give you free rein to just decide what country you’d like u to live in. It’s creating problems in our own country. Men of fighting age should be sorting out issues in their own country, it took generations of people over hundreds of years to sort out similar problems in Europe to the ones they’re fleeing - unless people do the same in those countries nothing will change and we can’t keep taking in more and more people.

And if a vegan says to a Pakistani Muslim anyone eating halal meat is complicit in animal torture and should be banned and punishable by imprisonment is that racist or islamaphobic?

But how do you know who is a 'fucking illegal immigrant'. Just because they're brown and male and live in a hotel. Most of those people are asylum seekers. Nothing illegal about it.

Ah, so ageism is ok “the older generations who were inherently racist” dear God!!!!

In what way do you think undocumented individuals who we know nothing about who have been brought up in countries with culture:values at odds with the UK should be welcomed? Are you opening your home to them? What part of the UK economy should bear the cost of those? Which part of IK society should lose out to bear the costs? How do you plan to assimilate them into UK culture so they don’t disrupt the norms, values and traditions of the UK?

It’s interesting Robert Merton concept of social strain/self fulfilling prophecy has been used for years to explain why young black men are drawn disproportionately into crime etc. yet try and apply that to young white boys it’s suddenly a load of codswallop. Your use of “racist” has just devalued it further

Which country are you talking about?

I don't support anyone being here illegally but I think that asylum seekers should be welcomed - and either returned or given asylum.

But the same concern wasn't raised when loads of Ukrainians came over. In fact people were welcoming them into their homes. Lots of British men seemed to use the scheme as a backdoor dating service?! Taking advantage of young women in need of shelter.

So when white people come fleeing war it's ok. When brown ones come fleeing war they're near enough blamed for the collapse of British society.

And this is exactly why people are saying that the word “racist” has lost its meaning.

It is NOT racist to be concerned about the large number of young, likely damaged men, entering the country illegally without any means of being able to identify them.

We know nothing of their background, any mental health condition they may have, prior convictions etc. And although no stats have been released (or likely will) we know that such men do go on to commit sexual and violent crimes, mostly against women and children.

These are valid concerns; it is quite frankly absurd to label such concerns as racist. And people stop taking you seriously.

Yes. Instead of taking a step back to reflect on why they might be calling you that and whether they might have a point, you will just automatically assume that they are the problem and not you.

I don't know why you think being a lefty voting, liberal remainer type might make you immune from racism?

Depends.

If someone said, "my new co-worker is black, but he's actually alright." That's racist even if the person saying it likely didn't think it was, or intended it to be. This is the sort of comment we used to hear regularly from the older generations who were inherently racist but ignorantly thought racisim was shouting the "n" word at someone. It's racist because they were saying exactly what they thought, showing a racist thought pattern - they just didn't think it was.

But if some used a racist word in complete error because they didn't understand what it meant, like a small child repeating something they heard or someone unintentionally using the wrong word, that's not racist because it wasn't showing a racist thought pattern, it's just a plain error with no intention.

Either way, people are allowed to be offended, and an apology is due in both situations. If the person doesn't apologise (even if it was an error) or even get defensive, that can also in itself be racist.

Illegal immigrants isn't a fucking race though is it. It's a person entering a country illegally regardless of race

I don't think either of your assertions are true.

If I am called racist, transphobic, a Nazi, or a fascist, (as I have been many times despite being a lefty voting, liberal remainer type) I will just assume they are the kind of person who uses such terms to try and shut down opposing arguments.

“The word can get in the bin as far as I'm concerned.”

Must be nice for you to be able to say that. Quite a privileged position to be in. Black / brown people don’t have the same luxury.

So if someone walks up to an Asian person and says 'you pxxi cunt, go back to your own country' they are excused from it being racist if they say/claim they didn't know it was racist to say that?

No that just means they're both thick and racist.

Depends on the context really. I'll describe someone as black, white etc if I am actually describing a person to someone.
It's a distinguishing factor in their appearance so helps to describe them and identify them to others.
Nothing racist about that.
Using the word black to describe someone out of context...
Not so sure why it's needed ?
Same as age, sex gender etc.

Only a racist would respond to being described as racist by saying that the mere act of someone calling out their racism is enough to make them stop caring about whether or not they say sound racist.

Any normal person would want to understand why they were being called racist so that they could take steps to avoid sounding racist in the future.

But you can carry on practising your mental gymnastics if it makes you feel better about yourself.

No. It takes intent, not just an ignorant turn or phrase.

I missed an "i" out, yet you knew what I meant. You could go across to pedant's corner and make a big fuss about it if you really like.

You will also know how CRT has been mis/used to say that being white is bad.

You can also point to the power + predjudice = racism from sociology that some use to redefine the term and is being used by some to state that you can't be racist against white people.

Ok but a more realistic version of those quotes could be...

"We're only racists because you made us racist by calling us racist."
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"We're not racist, but the fact that lots of odd people call us racist, means we will stop taking them seriously and ignore any valid points they could have made about the language we use of the impact of our actions."

"And we're only voting for a far right party because you described us as far right or racist etc."
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"I don't feel the party I vote for is far right, and the fact that its critics call it and anyone else they don't like far right, means I can safely discount their views. And where before I may have felt a stigma of voting Reform, and done so furtively, now I can do it openly and proudly because its better to be associated with them than with the woke weirdos."