To think that no racist ever admits they are a racist

I suppose technically not racist but bigoted. Both are nasty!

I suppose technically not racist but bigoted. Both are nasty!

So, would it be ok for them to just say it to white Muslims (yes, they exist)? Not racist?

If they say similar things to all meat-eaters, non-free-range farmers, etc,, then they are a bit extreme but not racist.

If they reserve them for non-white Muslims, then they are racist.

I have a question. If you say something racist through ignorance, ie you didn't realise it was racist, are you actually a racist?

It will “never be that deep” for you. As you are white. Lucky you.

It will “never be that deep” for you. As you are white. Lucky you.

Nonsense. The odd lesson at school about colonialism and a few assemblies aimed at addressing racism are a tiny part of the overall experience of a white child. And there is no evidence whatsoever to suggest that white children grow up hearing disparaging comments about them because they are white. Most white people will never be insulted in a way that references their skin colour and few white people encounter the term 'white privilege' outside of studies or the subject.
If you really think that young Jack from a small WC almost all white town like mine, votes Reform and thinks Tommy Robinson 'talks sense' because he's deeply hurt by accusations of white privilege and has strong views on CRT, then you need to get out of your ivory tower and come and meet the people you're defending.

It is NOW that in reality your precious white boy might have to apply to jobs that you see beneath you - now ONLY NOW, are you upset.

I am not even going to get started on Britain’s colonial history.

Precious white boy?

Why are white children always eventually spoken about like this on threads about racism?

A pp touched on the generation of young, angry white men who are coming up behind us, who are speaking about total remigration and have very fixed ideas on who is English/British, and who isn’t.

It is no coincidence that these are the very same children who had ideas of white privilege, that only white people can be racist, inherent racism, guilt about colonialism etc forced upon them at school. People speaking about them, like you have, with such open disgust, contempt and distain.

I don’t agree with their views in the slightest, but we are well and truly about to reap what we have sown.

It is NOW that in reality your precious white boy might have to apply to jobs that you see beneath you - now ONLY NOW, are you upset.

I am not even going to get started on Britain’s colonial history.

Precious white boy?

Why are white children always eventually spoken about like this on threads about racism?

A pp touched on the generation of young, angry white men who are coming up behind us, who are speaking about total remigration and have very fixed ideas on who is English/British, and who isn’t.

It is no coincidence that these are the very same children who had ideas of white privilege, that only white people can be racist, inherent racism, guilt about colonialism etc forced upon them at school. People speaking about them, like you have, with such open disgust, contempt and distain.

I don’t agree with their views in the slightest, but we are well and truly about to reap what we have sown.

So if it's men that are a problem and a threat in general what difference does it make what country they are from?

Are you trying to do the whole “British men are just as much of a threat to women and children, so what difference does a stream of even more men who pose a threat to women and children being allowed into the country make”? Is that your logic?

You think British women and children are fair game to be victims of crime committed by illegal immigrant men, just because British men pose a similar risk? We can at least assess and try to minimise the risk posed by British men to women and children as we know their identities, prior convictions, we can request details of prior convictions to be made available to us under specific laws, we have the Sex Offenders Register, DBS checks etc. We can place limitations on what these men can and cannot do.

We have none of this for the men coming into the country on small boats.

Do you understand the difference and the increased risk that poses to women and children? I imagine you do. You just don’t care, then. Is that it?

The data from small boat crossings is as follows:

Adult men - 75% - 76%
Women - 7% - 12%
Children - 12% - 16%

And the figure for children isn’t even accurate and in reality is much lower, due to the number of adult men presenting themselves to authorities as children.

People who are always going on about 'illegal immigrants' should be saying 'male immigrants' if that's the thing that makes them so unpalatable.

Why, though. Given that the overwhelming number of illegal immigrants coming to the UK via Calais are male, I’m not sure people do have to be this specific.

In all the threads I’ve read on this subject, all the debates I’ve listened to, I’ve never read or heard one person take issue with asylum seekers who are women and children (actual children, not men pretending to be children). Not one.

It is disgraceful to try and brush off these concerns as racism.

You clearly didn’t understand the point the pp made about white boys and university.

It’s not about it NOW being harder for white boys to get university places, it’s that by far, the demographic that is most likely to be living in poverty, underachieving educationally and least likely to overcome their circumstances in adulthood, are young, white working class men. This isn’t new, it’s a recognised, long term issue.

The pp was making the point about what they called “race privilege” in contrast with this statistic.

The Government even warned schools to stop teaching white privilege as fact.

And who is the “YOU” you keep referencing? Why are you saying “YOU” like I’m personally responsible for any of the things you’ve listed?

I’m not.

But YOU came on a thread about racism, ignored all the stories and anecdotes from people of colour and THEN proceeded to talk about white boys and say that Iam speaking with contempt. It’s literally top tier entitlement.

Excuse me? Did you forget that you said “your precious white boy” in a way that was dripping with contempt. I called you out on that. That’s not entitlement. I thought your comment was disgusting. It’s that simple.

If people like you owned the past and assessed how we got here, we could actually move on

I don’t need to own shit. I’m of Irish descent and my family and people have their own history of oppression. It’s not a competition. Nor does anyone else need to own what happened in the past. It’s 2026 for fucks sake, and no one alive today owes anyone else alive today anything for events that occurred hundreds of years ago. No one alive today is responsible for events that occurred hundreds of years ago and I would go as far as to say that no one alive today is a victim of events that occurred hundreds of years ago.

It is YOU that I have issue with with your dismissive posts, your myopia, your absolute refusal to acknowledge racism and how it impacts people, the desire to sweep big topics under the carpet (no discussion about reparations EVER entertained), no acknowledgement of the lived experiences on this thread and your frankly weird deflections.

I am tired of people like you who have never actually experienced racism or advocated against it that come and tell black/brown people how WE should react so that our oppressors feel more comfortable.

Lol. Where have I done or said any of this?

This is an open forum and I’m as free to post here as you are. I’m not telling anyone how to feel or react. Simply responding to posts on an open forum. It’s really not that deep.

Sounds like it happens to you quite frequently. I wonder why that would be.

“inherent racism, guilt about colonialism etc forced upon them at school. People speaking about them, like you have, with such open disgust, contempt and distain.”

1. Please - they barely teach the true reality of colonialism at school - you are absolutely deluded if you think that.
2. History - it IS white men who colonised countries and raped the women as well as stripping countries of their resources.
3. Later, after we’d finally pulled ourselves out of the shit show you left us - economic collapse, mixed race children who are the product of rape and therefore shunned by society - you were then VERY happy to receive us to clean, drive your buses, work in hospitals, look after your elderly.

It is only NOW that you are realising that is HARD to get a University place. It is only NOW that you are clocking that University is an expensive and selective pathway.

I am a mother and I dont see children in colour terms. A white boy is equivalent to a black girl in my eyes.

It is YOU @Vivi0 that I have issue with with your dismissive posts, your myopia, your absolute refusal to acknowledge racism and how it impacts people, the desire to sweep big topics under the carpet (no discussion about reparations EVER entertained), no acknowledgement of the lived experiences on this thread and your frankly weird deflections.

That is my issue. If people like you owned the past and assessed how we got here, we could actually move on.

But YOU came on a thread about racism, ignored all the stories and anecdotes from people of colour and THEN proceeded to talk about white boys and say that I am speaking with contempt. It’s literally top tier entitlement.

I have no disgust or disdain for white boys - why would I?

I am tired of people like you who have never actually experienced racism or advocated against it that come and tell black/brown people how WE should react so that our oppressors feel more comfortable.

But the same concern wasn't raised when loads of Ukrainians came over. In fact people were welcoming them into their homes. Lots of British men seemed to use the scheme as a backdoor dating service?! Taking advantage of young women in need of shelter.

So when white people come fleeing war it's ok. When brown ones come fleeing war they're near enough blamed for the collapse of British society.

“inherent racism, guilt about colonialism etc forced upon them at school. People speaking about them, like you have, with such open disgust, contempt and distain.”

1. Please - they barely teach the true reality of colonialism at school - you are absolutely deluded if you think that.
2. History - it IS white men who colonised countries and raped the women as well as stripping countries of their resources.
3. Later, after we’d finally pulled ourselves out of the shit show you left us - economic collapse, mixed race children who are the product of rape and therefore shunned by society - you were then VERY happy to receive us to clean, drive your buses, work in hospitals, look after your elderly.

It is only NOW that you are realising that is HARD to get a University place. It is only NOW that you are clocking that University is an expensive and selective pathway.

I am a mother and I dont see children in colour terms. A white boy is equivalent to a black girl in my eyes.

It is YOU @Vivi0 that I have issue with with your dismissive posts, your myopia, your absolute refusal to acknowledge racism and how it impacts people, the desire to sweep big topics under the carpet (no discussion about reparations EVER entertained), no acknowledgement of the lived experiences on this thread and your frankly weird deflections.

That is my issue. If people like you owned the past and assessed how we got here, we could actually move on.

But YOU came on a thread about racism, ignored all the stories and anecdotes from people of colour and THEN proceeded to talk about white boys and say that I am speaking with contempt. It’s literally top tier entitlement.

I have no disgust or disdain for white boys - why would I?

I am tired of people like you who have never actually experienced racism or advocated against it that come and tell black/brown people how WE should react so that our oppressors feel more comfortable.

It is NOW that in reality your precious white boy might have to apply to jobs that you see beneath you - now ONLY NOW, are you upset.

I am not even going to get started on Britain’s colonial history.

Precious white boy?

Why are white children always eventually spoken about like this on threads about racism?

A pp touched on the generation of young, angry white men who are coming up behind us, who are speaking about total remigration and have very fixed ideas on who is English/British, and who isn’t.

It is no coincidence that these are the very same children who had ideas of white privilege, that only white people can be racist, inherent racism, guilt about colonialism etc forced upon them at school. People speaking about them, like you have, with such open disgust, contempt and distain.

I don’t agree with their views in the slightest, but we are well and truly about to reap what we have sown.

White boys now least likely to go to Uni. But you were very much ok with it when black/brown students (with much better qualifications) were subsiding the local students and their cheap long term loans by paying fees almost 3 times higher and then being kicked out of the country post graduation.

You were quite ok with it when all min. Wages were the domain of black of brown people.

It is only NOW to the fuckery of the economic and foreign policies of various governments, that things are now hitting home for you. It is NOW that in reality your precious white boy might have to apply to jobs that you see beneath you - now ONLY NOW, are you upset.

I am not even going to get started on Britain’s colonial history.

It is only because it is now affecting you and your DS’s that you are bothered. Prior to that, you were quite happy to sit in your entitlement.

If they say similar things to all meat-eaters, non-free-range farmers, etc,, then they are a bit extreme but not racist.

If they reserve them for non-white Muslims, then they are racist.

Yes, exactly. It matters not one jot that someone says they're not racist. If a person of another race feels discrimination by their words or actions then they are. The racist doesn't get to choose.

Did you consider that when I have been called such terms, it was obvious that the other person also wasn't criticising in good faith?

As far as I can remember none of the accusations of being far right, a nazi, or a racist have been in conversations vaguely related to race or immigration. The last one was to do with grammar schools I think.

I have a question. If you say something racist through ignorance, ie you didn't realise it was racist, are you actually a racist?

The word racist is used to much. If your talking about illegal immigrants it's not racist to be concerned. In fact there's something wrong with you if your not concerned .

Your accusation was very clearly not made in good faith. It was evident that even you did not actually consider that I had said something racist or far right. So no, I didn't reflect on it.

If I had believed for a moment that you had actually meant what you said, then obviously, I would have reflected on your comments. Because I would actually care enough to want to understand and learn.

Anyway I understand from your posts that you aren't interested in other people's perspectives and that you are so convinced of your own rightness that you don't ever feel that it's necessary to consider whether you might need to reflect or learn - if someone criticises your views, then you dismiss them as bonkers without a second thought. So there is probably little point in us continuing the conversation. I have my views and you have yours.