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To think France's plan to write to every 29 year old reminding them to breed is patronising nonsense??

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Designless · 07/02/2026 22:12

Nobody alive is forgetting to do this

A lot of people don't want to because in the modern era it's not necessary and a lot less fun than other stuff

Some people DO want to but can't in which case idk give them the missing tools or funds

But nobody is forgetting

Why does this whole topic seem to bamboozle policymakers so hard?

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rainandshine38 · 08/02/2026 06:41

But France’s birth rate one of highest?

Key Trends in European Birth Rates (2023-2024)

  • Lowest Rates: Italy, Spain, Malta, and Greece consistently report the lowest fertility rates in the EU, often struggling with rates below 1.3 children per woman.
  • Declines in Nordic Countries: Finland reported its lowest rate since 1776 (1.25 in 2024), and Sweden's rate has dropped to 1.43.
  • Highest Rates: France (1.64–1.79) and Romania (1.71–1.77) have recently reported the highest, though still below replacement, fertility rates in the EU.
  • Overall Trend: Since 2003, all EU countries except Bulgaria have experienced a decrease in births.
  • Impact of Immigration: In 2023, high-income countries like Germany and the UK faced reliance on immigration to sustain populations due to low native birth rates
auserna · 08/02/2026 06:11

ColdAsAWitches · 08/02/2026 00:08

Ignoring the outraged spin on it, it's a letter informing women what free fertility treatment is available. I'm sure a lot of infertile women will be grateful to receive it. But don't let facts get in the way.

How many women looking to explore fertility treatment would be sitting around waiting for a letter from the government? Rather few, I expect.

Lambington · 08/02/2026 03:01

Its Eugenics by the back door and will be coming to the UK if Reform get anywhere near power.

Clarinet1 · 08/02/2026 02:10

FastFood · 08/02/2026 00:10

Princess Diana was what? Forced to have a gynae exam in France? That's not very kind.

Not in France but but before she married Prince Charles as he then was.

LameBorzoi · 08/02/2026 01:43

MigGirl · 07/02/2026 22:33

Actually apparently the number of people who genuinely don't want children hasn't changed much. What has changed is the number of unintentionally childless, mainly due to multiple different reasons.
Cost it takes longer now to become financially independent, not being able to find a suitable partner, women choosing to delay having children due to building a career and yes it does get harder to get pregnant as you get older so some may have wanted children but end up childless due to not being able to. It's way more complicated then just people saying they don't want to. Just like most other social issues there are often complex reasons.

This.

There are some people who never wanted and will never want kids. This is not about them.

There are also a lot of women who wanted kids, but never had them, or had fewer than they would like, because they ran out of options or time.

JMSA · 08/02/2026 01:38

How ridiculous and awful. It’s like Handmaid’s Tale!

LameBorzoi · 08/02/2026 01:32

Denim4ever · 08/02/2026 00:21

Erm, yes you can have kids at 42. That's your choice and fertility wise it can work and career and finances wise it definitely does.

There a few women who get pregnant at 42. Most women won't be able to. For most women, if they start trying at that age, they won't end up with a baby.

snowbear22 · 08/02/2026 00:32

Designless · 07/02/2026 22:35

Scandinavian countries make it incredibly financially easy and people still do not fancy it (do it for granny ads notwithstanding)

So.. we just die out within 4 generations then? All the countries that support feminism just disappear within a few hundred years, a few generations of women have equality and raised standard of lives and then we lose everything. The patriachal religions win because they are still standing, what was the point if there is no longevity.

Denim4ever · 08/02/2026 00:21

LameBorzoi · 07/02/2026 22:22

I didn't know about the egg freezing. It sounds patronising, but by the number of posts on here that go "you can have kids at 42, no problem", perhaps a little public education in the UK is needed, as well.

Erm, yes you can have kids at 42. That's your choice and fertility wise it can work and career and finances wise it definitely does.

BruFord · 08/02/2026 00:19

As @Designless says, the late Millennials /early Gen Zer’s who would receive this letter are quite capable of deciding whether they want future generations.

Factual information on infertility is fine, but older generations (I’m Gen X) can’t tell them what to do. If they don’t want younger people, that’s their decision.

FastFood · 08/02/2026 00:10

Clarinet1 · 07/02/2026 23:53

I understand Princess Diana was.

Princess Diana was what? Forced to have a gynae exam in France? That's not very kind.

ColdAsAWitches · 08/02/2026 00:08

auserna · 07/02/2026 22:53

Jeez, that would be a fun letter to receive as an infertile woman.

Ignoring the outraged spin on it, it's a letter informing women what free fertility treatment is available. I'm sure a lot of infertile women will be grateful to receive it. But don't let facts get in the way.

TheGrimSmile · 08/02/2026 00:06

Well I read today that the Reform candidate for Denton wants to tax women who don't have children. I wish these right-wingers would just fuck off trying to control women's bodies.

Ophy83 · 08/02/2026 00:02

LameBorzoi · 07/02/2026 22:24

But yes, actually making it possible to house, raise and feed kids would be a nice strategy.

France does a lot to financially incentivise people to have children- tax reductions, birth grants, monthly allowance, free childcare from age 3 etc. Plus housing is significantly cheaper there than here (outside of Paris). They also haven't privatised public services so electricity, rail travel etc is cheaper than the UK.

HopSpringsEternal · 08/02/2026 00:01

Designless · 07/02/2026 22:23

Nobody on the goddamn planet is surprised by this.

Fewer people are breeding because it has always been the case that a fair number simply don't want to and this is the first time ever that it has become genuinely optional.

Treating adults like morons is just a recipe for disengagement from government.

Honestly part of my job involves fertility treatment and the amount of people at late 30s who thought they would be okay because their nan/mum/mate got pregnant at 45 is worrying.

Bubblesgun · 07/02/2026 23:58

Designless · 07/02/2026 22:16

https://www.thetimes.com/world/europe/article/french-government-letter-birth-rates-29-year-olds-zjkqmr6bc

Honestly I can only imagine this making a few people decide in the other direction

I ammfeench amd inread le monde wveryday and i havent seen that. Inthink it is 100% bulls

give me a link from a french trustworhty newspaper.

nice try

Clarinet1 · 07/02/2026 23:53

FastFood · 07/02/2026 22:31

I call BS. No one is forced to have a gynaecological examination to get married. All my friends are married and not one, not a single one had to do a medical exam

I understand Princess Diana was.

Designless · 07/02/2026 23:46

ScrollingLeaves · 07/02/2026 23:41

A lot do want this but the men they know want to carry on care-free.

Time after time you hear about the ‘ticking clock’. That seems very loud around this age.

Maybe for you but then you don't need a letter

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DurinsBane · 07/02/2026 23:46

It because some countries have such a dwindling birth rate they will cease to be functional societies, as not enough babies being born, not enough people working compared to retired people. Not enough tax money coming in to run services. Japan have said that if it carries on how it is over there they maybe have 50 or so years left. They need migration to keep the country going, but Japan (as a generalisation) are quite resistant to migration

BruFord · 07/02/2026 23:45

Happyjoe · 07/02/2026 23:36

I get that we need babies for the economy for the rest of us oldies, but when does it ever end? It just passes the problem down another generation or two.. There's enough people on this planet, we already ruining huge swathes of it. If people don't want or can't afford children, leave them be.

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@Happyjoe Yes, the real issue is that we’re all hanging around for decades longer than we used to, thanks to modern medicine and improved living conditions.

ScrollingLeaves · 07/02/2026 23:41

Designless · 07/02/2026 22:20

Oh no not the inability to do something they don't want to do anyway anything but that

A lot do want this but the men they know want to carry on care-free.

Time after time you hear about the ‘ticking clock’. That seems very loud around this age.

Firefly1987 · 07/02/2026 23:40

@Happyjoe exactly, the problem will never end if you just keep encouraging people to have children. The world doesn't need anymore mouths to feed! A couple less billion people on the planet through fewer births would be wonderful.

Happyjoe · 07/02/2026 23:36

I get that we need babies for the economy for the rest of us oldies, but when does it ever end? It just passes the problem down another generation or two.. There's enough people on this planet, we already ruining huge swathes of it. If people don't want or can't afford children, leave them be.

abracadabra1980 · 07/02/2026 23:32

LameBorzoi · 07/02/2026 22:24

But yes, actually making it possible to house, raise and feed kids would be a nice strategy.

Agree 100%. If you can't afford housing by 29, it may be too late for some to 'breed'.

WelcometomyUnderworld · 07/02/2026 23:29

Seems like a good idea to me. At 29, I wanted kids in the future but was. Holding my career. At 36 and years of trying, I wish I had my 29 year old eggs available as an option to me.

Presumably if at 29 I’d known I didn’t want kids, I would have thrown the letter away along with the takeaway menus I get that don’t cater to my vegetarian diet. I’m not offended by them, they’re just not relevant to me so I pay them no heed.

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