Please tell me some of these things are made up-TW Epstein

Yeah, the “pizza and grape soda” stuff is definitely not about eating pizza and drinking grape soda.

yes because pedophiles who rape babies and young children do not exist and never have.

Don’t bother, I gave them the same and got a sneery “Ugh I know how to search”.

This person just wants to not face that a conspiracy theory (that did sound bonkers at the time, I didn’t believe it either” is true.

Reminds me of that male newsreader who got shut down in the best way after saying “Let’s not get our knickers in a twist” about the Epstein files

But I did look. I didn’t find anything other than several hundred references to pizza. People eat pizza. As I pointed out I also found dozens of references to kangaroos, tortoises and harmonicas. The prevalence of the word pizza is much higher in the English language than the word harmonica. I would be looking for a needle in a haystack. You say you have already found that needle - perhaps you could point it out more clearly?

Find them yourself

It’s the easiest search tool I think I’ve ever used. Whats stopping you?

It’s not distracting from the real thing at all. It’s all part of the jigsaw of how powerful people have got away with child rape. When thinks like child trafficking come to light the question is ALWAYS posed of “How did they get away with it? How did nobody realise!”. Well here you go - here are the codes they talked in. And if you actually gave a shit you’d go look yourself.

It’s also worth pointing out that you saying people are distracting from the real thing - I am the one using the words child rape - you haven’t said it yet.

But genuine question - do you think billionaires really talk to each like this? Emails over loving the pizza they had last night, saying it was yummy with lots of winky faces, after complex instructions of how to deliver said pizza? What DO you think that’s about?
Or is it that you just can’t bear perhaps something you sneer at is being silly conspiracy theory could actually be true??

Try and work out which bit of evidence convinced you because you'll find it was something you saw on Facebook or Tiktok.

It's pretty clear that when they hired girls to entertain at parties they didn't go to any great lengths to check their claimed ages were accurate, but if they were babies that would have been obvious.

I'm sure some of the men liked the idea that they might be under 16 and that is bad enough. We have statutory rape laws for a reason and being voluntary on the girl's part does NOT make it ok.

But that's the whole story so far.

The stuff about babies (including eating them) comes from men angry and disappointed that there was no video for them to enjoy.

Here you go… enjoy. Reference numbers galore 🙄 www.justice.gov/epstein/search

Oh do fuck off. If you’re really too lazy to look for yourself you should not be commenting on the matter from a position of wilful ignorance. They are all freely available. You just don’t want to put any effort in. Go on twitter, look at the evidence and cross reference against the file release if if suits you, but don’t expect others to do this work for you just to satisfy your irritating smugness.

I was going to, but nobody seems to be able to link to the specific emails they were talking about. Unfortunately that’s often a sign that they might have put two and two together to make ten.

And I’m afraid I’m another that feels that apocryphal stories such as the pizza and furniture conspiracy theories detracts from the real horrors that happened.

If only everyone would wake up and acknowledge that such things happen to children of all ages, including babies, it might be more likely that perpetrators could be caught/stopped when they first start experimenting/looking for like-minded co-conspiritors to join these networks of evil-minded abusers.
Closing eyes and minds to the possibility that this is all true is what endangers all our children.

I agree. I noticed, when I looked him up to see who he was, that someone has been messing with the wikipedia page of JE's main pizza buddy.

@ElizabethsTailor Read the emails it is pretty obvious.

Actually the term “woke” was coined by black Americans as part of AAVE to describe people who were vigilant against racism. It’s since been appropriated by racists to downplay their racism. Nothing to do with David Icke FFS

Very much agree with this, well said.

Think it’s all a bit much so can’t be true? Congratulations, you’re not a satanic pedophile. But you are quite possibly deluding yourself that evil does not exist.

My bet is that is an antisemitic blood libel trope, I’ve only seen pushed by rando TikTokers who take footage that’s nothing to do with Epstein, and telling “look they’re talking about baby eating!”. Notice they only ever claim this with the Jewish people in the files.

It’s disrespectful to deny that the most horrific of acts happened or make out anyone who believes that pedophile billionaires use code word when ordering children to rape from child sex traffickers, is wrong or ridiculous.

And we don’t have to discuss in a calm, ladylike manner at all. In fact we should all be absolutely raging about the files.

As for people who want to believe things were not that bad and Epstein didn’t terrify little girls to the point that they screamed - I don’t know if it’s naivety, or being an apologist, but it’s best to face facts if you’re going to talk about the files. Whatever horrible possibilities go on in your mind over what these pedophiles could have done and the harm they inflicted - times it by 100.

We also don’t need to sit and wait for journalists to put together a nice tidy polite article to form an opinion - the victims have spoken out many times and are still speaking out. Listen the them. Believe them. Hear what they have to say.

Oh there’s some silly theories going round including that Epstein abducted and killed JonBenet Ramsey. Which if true, he’d have returned her extremely quickly given she was found in her home within a few short hours.

I find it embarrassing that people who think that Trump - an actual rapists who’s admitted to sexually assaulting women - think that he was just good mates with Epstein and nothing dodgy happened.

Trump is one of those people that somehow has acquired a bizarre following of dum-dums who think he can do no wrong. It’s like with Michael Jackson, OJ Simpson and Johnny Depp had the same - half wits worshipping at their feet despite them being evil nasty criminals who ruin peoples lives. But when the president of the world’s most powerful country has that Teflon coated quality, it’s bad for the world

It's all a really head spinning mix of truth and conspiracy isn't it? It's weird, the hypothesis that David Icke used the ridiculous to spread the truth under wraps - using code to reveal his inner suspicions. That was where the whole "woke" crap came from wasn't it? A term (along with sheeple etc) coined by his followers to describe the wakening to the horrors of the truth that couldn't be spoken about openly at the time. Now we appear to all be 'woke' as some truth is emerging in the public realm, the meaning and use of the term 'woke' has shifted and become ridiculed by the populous again! It's like some totally warped hall of mirrors, with no idea who/what is woke and who are still sheeple

Almost as if that's the point of it!

I don’t know if I’ll articulate this well, but my concern over allegations like “eating babies” is that they capture either the headlines or the popular imagination. Then, if not proven, they give unscrupulous people an opportunity to say “see! That was made up so maybe the other stuff was too!” and that will undermine the very provable horrors committed to women and girls in term of sexual assault, trafficking and violence. And they all get away with it (again).

Threads like this are horrifying. People pushing their agenda and hyping up possibilities that should be discussed very carefully. I’m struggling to find the words, but the horror speaks for itself, it doesn’t need exclamation marks and arguments, sarcasm and point scoring.

It’s disrespectful to argue across the bodies of the victims of these people.

I’m waiting for some kind of summary/consensus that decent journalists compile, as the headlines have been sensationalist and muck throwing beyond belief.

And @Spookyspaghetti , what you say is so true. It amazes me what we expose ourselves and especially children to. Often parents will say that horror films ‘don’t bother’ their DC, as though it’s a good thing that they are so desensitised!

I believe that Epstein and his ilk performed acts that the vast majority of human beings would consider horrific. I believe this because they are people with immense power and too much of everything, and that level of power and entitlement allows them to stretch past the boundaries of decent.

i also believe that much of what is out there under the guide of ‘evidence’ is supposition or manufactured, not all of it though, not by a long stretch.

Have you read the files? Yes we do.

We do not know who abducted MM do we

I would assume nothing either way