Please tell me some of these things are made up-TW Epstein

Pizza can be a reference to rough sex or group sex
Cream or cream cheese usually a reference to methamphetamine. Used in sex to heighten the experience/chem sex.

So yes code words

I truly hope that everyone involved in all of this gets bought to trial & spends the rest of their life in jail or the death penalty if it is proved murders have been committed.

Don’t be fucking ridiculous. Questioning the lack of evidence for the wildly extreme claims is absolutely not saying I don’t care about the genuine victims.

and you know that!

I'm Irish and Catholic.

I read it all with incredulity, surely not, surely this couldn't happen and no one be held to account...

Then I remembered all the SA of altar boys, of women in magdelen laundries, of babies sold to rich americans for profit, of babies buried illegally in Tuam and I realised actually, anywhere that men amass power women and children seem to suffer.

Is it any more far fetched than Ireland 1950-1989?

It's what he would have been into had he not been caught.

I absolutely support those young girls who were trafficked and sexually abused.

Next up is the other end of the scale, Grandparents, who are easy game for scamming, especially when it comes to their grandchildren - the voice calls are realistic and relate to abuse.

There are no images or videos of CSA that have been released through the Epstein files. The DoJ would be breaking the law by distributing images/videos of CSA if they did so. The rules around this are so strict that CSA content is not copied to share with attorneys etc for trials.

The DoJ are at best incompetent - their redactions leave a lot to be desired, and the reasons they are so poor are open to interpretation- but they are not uploading videos of CSA.

If you have seen something on instagram you think may be images or videos of child abuse please report them.

What? They’re not mutually exclusive 🤦🏼‍♀️ And yes, abusing actual children is of course worse than making fake videos (if you insist on comparing)

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/feb/06/deepfake-taking-place-on-an-industrial-scale-study-finds

What's disturbing about this is faking grandchildren calling for help. These are nasty people. You think Epstein was bad, and he was disgusting, think again.

Absolutely this. The truth is bad enough, it doesn’t need fabrication or embellishment.

I have no idea whether the video you came across was real or fake, but you better believe it does happen. In Epstein's realm, I don't know.

What I came to say was I came off social media a few years ago for this very reason. I started going down rabbit holes which lead to more and more sinister content. And then AI became more widely used which obscured reality from fake and I had enough. I was becoming more disturbed by what I was seeing that I made the choice to remove SM from my life.

I think someone has turned it all into like a gmail file so you can read them in order

Is there a way to read the whole thing (I know it’s massive) or start somewhere rather than think of words and search them?

It’s not hard evidence but only a true dummy would think they were talking about pizza

How about we use the theory of Occam’s Razor and accept that emails about people coming to what we know for a fact is a pedophile island, are pedophiles looking to have sex with children.

This is MN not a police task force room, we can speculate on the obvious without needing court-level proof of evidence

Thank you - that is exactly my point. As I stated there is clear evidence and testimony of awful things that did happen but if we spiral off into some Gothic horror tale fed by the net, then we are in danger of obscuring the truth. If these extreme claims are never proved (and they won't be) then it opens the door for people to deny that anything untoward at all happened - don't you see that ?

Of course there is speculation! That is inevitable if a convicted paedophile uses barely disguised code words for his activities. Are we all meant to pretend it isn't dodgy?

Elizabeth wanted me to search for her. I don’t do that when people can do it themselves. The burden is not on me because I don’t give a shit if people are too lazy to search for their own sources, I’m not desperate to convince anyone, it’s as plain as the nose on my face that nobody was really ordering pizza via a pedophile billionaire.

They are entitled to disbelieve that the pizza thing is code, but when they do it after not even reading one file let along hundreds, they don’t really have a very valid opinion.

I think the question is - why AREN’T you believing extreme things? It’s not “horrible” - it’s extreme, it’s rape, it’s abuse. Stop downplaying it.

And nothing is made up, it’s source materials. You can find it yourself

women have come forward to say they were raped and sexually abused as children. How have you missed this?!

It’s not been verified as in nobody has confirmed for example that cheese pizza = a 12yo girl. Because the president is heavily implicated and the files are heavily redacted (apart from victim names, nice) and have not been fully released as promise. But I’m sure it’s all above board 🙄

Maybe nobody will ever verify what the code words are or mean, it you have to be specially dim to think that convicted pedophiles we’re just ordering pizza, cream cheese and juice.

It’s not the job of other posters to argue a case to you, present evidence or convince you of anything. You’re either interested in understanding the truth for yourself or you’re not. Evidently not in many cases on this thread. Personally I do not give a shit whether you believe what’s in the files and victims’ claims or not, but if you’re interested in understanding the truth you’re probably going to have to be a bit open minded about what’s potentially horrifying but real. Living in blinkered and deliberate denial doesn’t serve anyone. It’s becoming apparent (not news to me, I’ve been following this for years) that the world is not what we thought it was. Decency, democracy, transparency and accountability are a hallucination. I don’t think there is any plausible deniability where these people are concerned.

The source material of the Epstein files isn’t “shite”

Though do you really think Epstein was a connoisseur of pizza and cream cheese?

I know, how absolutely ridiculous to think it's about drugs. Wilful ignorance.

You really think so?

Jeffrey Epstein is a convicted pedophile

Ghislaine Maxwell is a convicted sex trafficker

Their island is confined to be a hub of sex trafficking. We know this.

Anhone could get drugs from anywhere. Christ, give me 10 minutes and I could probably find somewhere to get drugs. Nobody needs to go to a special island renowned for sex trafficking just for drugs.

Yes

Back when Ian Watkins was jailed I made the mistake of reading his sentencing report. Although it’s public information, it was erg, very graphic and I wish I hadn’t read it as it haunts me to this day. Then again, Watkins didn’t use code words he was very explicitly in his requests to mothers of babies and toddlers.

The only difference with the Epstein files is that they use codes words rather than be explicit. If it the decides ever come out I have no interest in reading them, I don’t think I could handle it.

Glad the bots and brain-dead are back to tell people it's all made up, nothing to see, move along.

Are there videos of victims who were ten or under?

Because that’s the point people are making - that there is no evidence of actual paedophilia so far, and that claiming that there is undermines the horror of what we know he did do, which is traffic very young women, many of whom were underage, but who were not children in the sense that they had been through puberty.

I was quoting a poster who said there is no evidence of children being SA. You know what, I'll retract the babies part. There's no evidence of babies people, don't worry! It was just young girls being raped! Who cares about them?

And you know what - I guess it is hard to believe that an international cabal of billionaires who bought and sold young girls would go so far as murder. Leave those peadophiles alone! Ignore the parts of the files which implicate them in murder, everyone. That is just farfetched.

Sorry. I concede.

How many of those genuine victims claim babies were being eaten, people were being murdered?