Epstein files

Also about a Nadia Marcinko, claims that he *Bought her off her father at 15 😔 trained her up be a pilot for the planes and now she’s gone missing, all so utterly bizzare

I’ve been reading about the sub entry and seen pictures of what appears to be a trap door leading directly to the sea in the house in the files 😵‍💫
it’s all pretty grim reading 🤮

I'm sure there are many fake posts but you can weed them out easily if you have half a brain. Many genuine posters quote the file numbers that you can independently verify from the DoJ link. The mainstream media is definitely being selective in what they report.

If you're going to read them, don't go to social media sites. Half of the files you're reading on there are fake.

A better way of thinking about it is that those people have a level of selfishness that is beyond all normal comprehension... All the discussion of urges ignored the fact that a conscious decision is being made

Eg, someone wants a car. They decide to steal it. Obviously that is a fairly selfish/anti social line of reasoning

A kid is scared walking to school. He decided to deal with that feeling by carrying a knife. Someone makes him angrym in the heat of the moment he decides to use the knife. That's a very messed up chain of decisions and clearly the teenager belongs in prison. By if they are capable of being honest with themselves and others about their thought patterns they can be rehabilitated.

A grown man feels a bit horny. He decided to deal with that by utterly devastating the life of another person. Drastically altering a child's whole future for very brief gratificatipn. Sex offenders especially paedophiles can't ever be honest about their thought processes. They might say things like "I was under a lot of pressure at the time" to get sympathy. But they don't finish by saying "so I decided to deal with that pressure by raping a child". Because of they talked about the thought processes people would see how selfish they are and they would have to face it to. It's why I don't think they can be rehabilitated, even when people who commit really awful crimes like murder sometimes can.

And almost all the time (except in the case of severe mental deficiency) men can control their "urges" and have a choice of whether to act or not. It's why Eugenie and Beatrice were perfectly safe visiting Epstein with their mother. Someone with a severe brain injury might not be, but they should be receiving care anyway.

Also, a lot of the men involved weren't actually paedophiles themselves. They were however perfectly happy to condone and facilitate (and joke about) he rape of children so long as they were given access to young women to have sex with. Which is also despicable.

Do I think there are some people who are sexually attracted to children- yes

Do I think it is their attraction is strongly related to their own child abuse- possibly.

Do I think that they have a lonely life- without a doubt.

Do I think it is OK- no

Do I think the people experiencing it should ever be alone with children- never

Do I think that gives them the right to assault children- absolutely not.

Do I think they should be incarerated if they chose to act out on children- absolutely.

I think it’s probably just the tip, I dread to think what sick activities/experiences can be bought online by the elite.

I wonder if Melania is the files?

An Epstein girl. A recruiter? Her immigration status?

One of them married in the Guinness family and did quite well for herself - ended up as a peer of the realm and lots of dosh!

Can you imagine what they're hiding in the unreleased files?
It wouldn't surprise me if they were destroyed.

There were several serious allegations made against Trump via the FBI tips line. They do not appear to have been investigated further. Many claims on the tip line were not considered credible enough to investigate. It's impossible to know if the claims against Trump are credible or if it was just convenient for the FBI to say they weren't.
There are also redactions that may conceal wrong doing by Trump and some photos which confirm, at the very least, he is a creep.

Congress had to force Trump to release so he's not a hero. There are two groups of people with TDS, those who hate him and nothing he does is good and those who love him and nothing he does is bad. Neither is healthy or objective.

Is Trump guilty of anything?
I keep reading that the DoJ is removing thousands of documents implicating Trump for public safety, but at the same time Trump fans are insisting that he’s the hero that has released the files.
I don’t know what to believe.

I actually think that marriage is a cover for a lot of them.

Present as an ordinary extraordinary guy.

People are not that comfortable with unmarrieds at a certain point. Especially at certain high levels of society.

"everyone was doing it"
Yes, that's the whole reason people are angry!

Except he was convicted of child sex trafficking in 2008. Granted, he got a very low sentence and was allowed to spend much of it under house arrest. But everyone knew he had trafficked a child and had sex with them at that time. And the breadth of his activities was quite well known after that time. Eg the stuff about Prince Andrew and the island was being commented on long before 2020. The Windsor's did a spoof about it well before then. Dior, the fashion house, returned a donation made by him in a charity auction. Norman Finkelstein refused to associate with him. Possibly Dior and Finkelstein were the only ones with Google? Or Dior are more morally sound than anyone else?

And legally, they were supposed to release the files with only victims names redacted. Whatever their reasons may have been in redacting other names, that wasn't their decision to take. Plus actually by redacting names you just allow more rumours to spread as one can speculate about who the redacted men are freely. So the innocent are more likely to be caught in the net.

. "Lots of these rich people have lavish house parties with hired hostesses."
If that is the case, then a lot of these rich people are on the fringes of prostitution and need their hard drives looking at! Anyone who pays young women for their time and attention needs to ask themselves some serious questions imo

I think it is important that many names are not shown because knowing Epstein socially or professionally, does not mean everyone was involved in his rotten sex activities.

We all know that Epstein had a wide circle of 'friends'/close acquaintances from across the board, whom he cultivated and helped with their work, whatever it was, plus some very high profile people. The majority would not have known what he was up to privately. I get that with hindsight it seems obvious but I doubt it was at the time. Lots of these rich people have lavish house parties with hired hostesses.

When all the investigations are complete, and it is going to take a long time, those who were actually involved in Epstein's seedy, exploitative shenanigans will be exposed and held to account. Those who were not need to be protected,

Because the victims will have described abuse that happened to them in these surroundings I.e. “I was walked through a kitchen that looked like XYZ” or “I threw up in a bathroom that had X on the wall” they are photographic evidence so when the paedophiles say “that child was never on the island” the prosecutors can say “how did this child know what your kitchen and bathroom looked like then?”

In the same way any crime scene would be photographed, these are photos of the scene of the crimes.

Well unredacting the names of those implicated would be a start but for some reason the DOJ doesn't want to...
But some of the names identified by the FBI as co-conspirators were said publicly by one of the American politicians given access to the unredacted files. It includes Lex Werner who everyone "knew" about for years and a number of other powerful names. None of them are particularly surprising but at least there is some progress.

I think from the testimonies a lot of the girls were first abused by Epstein as children then continued to be abused as young adults - at a certain age they would be passed on/instructed to be with Epstein's friends. As a result some of the powerful men implicated may well only have slept with girls older than 17 or older than 18 but they were completely complicit in and benefitting from the abuse.

Think about the "humerous" photo with the giant cheque made out to Epstein in "payment" for a woman. That was a joke but also it's what the survivors said was the pattern of abuse
It's very common for children to be groomed/forced into sexual exploitation when underage and then forced to continue being prostitutes as adults. You don't magically lose all trauma at 18. And even if you did, Epstein was mixing with some of the most powerful men in the world. They had every reason to be too scared to leave. They didn't stop being victims on their 18th birthdays.

I’ve just watched the bbc update ‘the Epstein files: what we know’ (had to search for it - it wasn’t in trending or suggested, etc) and a few names were mentioned but not Trump. This is not going to damage him at all, is it.

Also, everybody is disgusted and it’s all so horrible, but not a single chargeable crime? No one arrested since releasing the files..?

Misogyny is the mainstay of the system we live under. Racism too. It is a system that socially conditions men to treat women as their inferiors, and as sex objects.
Men aren't born abusers and exploiters, they become them. I want to live in a system based on equality, cooperation and empathy.

There are 3 million of them, it's going to take time. There are thousands of citizen journalists and actual journalists shifting through. There will be a lot more to come out.

And why so many images of toilets and kitchens?

And where are all these rooms? On his island? New York? It's difficult to make any sense of it. There is a large wall art showing JE with a very young girl, under 10 on his shoulders. What is it that we are seeing here? Has anyone here looked at all the files?

At first all you can see is tacky interior but a few pages in, are the framed 'art work' displaying nude images of minors? 😡