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The most pernicious secret about Reform

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SeriousFaffing · 06/02/2026 12:05

The results from a YouGov poll in December show quite a large difference between men and women of those who would vote Reform at the beginning of 2026.

This has got me thinking about the split and women’s awareness of Reform.

Agree or not, I’m sure that everyone is aware of the links made between Reform and racism… However, I think that a just as big elephant in the room is what appears as pernicious and deep rooted misogyny… I think that the YouGov poll appears to show that women are subliminally - or very - aware of this fact.

When I think of Reform, I see images of white men chanting “we want our country back”. I think of Farage cosying up to the anti abortionists in the USA (many news articles on this) and I think of Reform’s policies to boost the birth rate.

I wonder about wanting ‘our country back’ being as much about harking back to a time when women were not out at work (taking up jobs) and expecting dinner to be on the table when he comes home. No answering back at home or in the work place. And, you know, ‘Protecting our women’ as though a commodity or object… But only when it suits.

What do you think? Am I unreasonable as a woman to worry about Reform getting into Government?

You are unreasonable - no, as a woman, I am not worried about Reform getting into Government.

You are not being unreasonable - I am worried too.

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MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 07/02/2026 15:27

moderate · 07/02/2026 08:32

Are you trying to make my point for me?

No, you just misunderstood her point.

Unsurprisingly.

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 07/02/2026 15:25

GaIadriel · 07/02/2026 01:44

Not quite the same as 1200 women being openly assaulted in public, many in front of their powerless husbands. That kind of thing only happens in the middle east usually - arab spring etc.

I've no idea how Reform would stop it. As stated, I'm not a big fan. But events like the one outlined are what are driving people to vote for people like Farage. You could perhaps argue that less asylum seekers would mean less sexual assaults being perpetrated by asylum seekers.

On that basis, let's just get rid of men altogether.

SeriousFaffing · 07/02/2026 15:20

sleepwouldbenice · 07/02/2026 13:09

Actually believing this is incredible. Have you looked at their voting g records? On issues like employment upskirting online reform?
Never mind all the photos and allegiance with tate, trump, Russia etc. And individual, recent tweets...

@sleepwouldbenice Agree. Wilfully and selectively sticking their heads in the sand.

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CanalLetty · 07/02/2026 14:32

GaIadriel · 07/02/2026 00:56

Tbf 95% of workplace deaths are male. That's kinda the biggest sacrifice of them all. 99% of women would not be able to hack the job I do in construction.

Sexist dick wad.

sleepwouldbenice · 07/02/2026 13:12

EuclidianGeometryFan · 07/02/2026 08:12

I used to support them when their primary concern was the environment. That is also my primary concern.
Their primary concerns now seem to be Palestine and gender politics.

I do not believe transwomen are women, and I do believe women should keep their single sex provisions.

As a socialist, I am politically homeless.

I am with you. I am more centrist, but the environment is the most important thing to me. For everyone's future
Of course, reform call it "net stupid zero"😡 prats

sleepwouldbenice · 07/02/2026 13:09

JustSomeWaferThinHam · 06/02/2026 14:56

As PPs have pointed out, Reform’s actual position on abortion is pretty mainstream and acceptable to most.

I feel like I need to point out that we are not the US and Reform is not the same as political groups in the US.

The other things you mention ARE lost to women if we are not allowed to be a legal entity separate from all men. Most mainstream parties except Conservatives against us being a legal entity away from men.

I’m not sure our heads that need wobbling.

Actually believing this is incredible. Have you looked at their voting g records? On issues like employment upskirting online reform?
Never mind all the photos and allegiance with tate, trump, Russia etc. And individual, recent tweets...

HangingOutAtTheRialto · 07/02/2026 12:51

As has been said many times before, if he gave a shit about trafficking, grooming, rape and sexual assault victims, he wouldn't be big chums with Trump and Nick Candy (in Epstein files) and would be calling for the prosecution of those involved, whatever their political allegiance. He's a grifter. VAWG and safeguarding is just a weapon for him, he uses it to point score. Uses it when it suits his agenda, ignores it when it doesn't. That's not new in politics but it's rarely this transparent.

TooBigForMyBoots · 07/02/2026 12:37

moderate · 07/02/2026 08:32

Are you trying to make my point for me?

Farage doesn't give a shit about the victims of grooming gangs. He uses them to further his racist agenda. So those supporting him because of grooming gangs are either thick, or racist themselves.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/oct/29/female-survivors-of-grooming-gangs-demand-apology-from-nigel-farage

Female survivors of grooming gangs demand apology from Nigel Farage

Exclusive: Five women said Reform leader’s comments that they were victims of other types of sexual abuse were ‘degrading’

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/oct/29/female-survivors-of-grooming-gangs-demand-apology-from-nigel-farage

Ninerainbows · 07/02/2026 12:28

GaIadriel · 07/02/2026 00:56

Tbf 95% of workplace deaths are male. That's kinda the biggest sacrifice of them all. 99% of women would not be able to hack the job I do in construction.

Do you think Farage thinks manual labour is a "top job"?

CanalLetty · 07/02/2026 09:49

Clavinova · 06/02/2026 22:33

Misleading title; List of far-right protesters jailed, arrested or wanted by police after Castle Park riot

From a cursory look: Ebrim Jadama, Terrell Morris, Abdinasir Hussein, Mohamed Osman and Jivara Omar don't look or sound like far-right protesters to me.

I suppose we can only draw our own conclusions about whether these people might be the alleged perpetrators, witnesses or victims' of domestic abuse reports

Clearly some of those listed were women and children.

How about the other people? Do they sound like far-right protesters?

Those 'children' were 15 and charged with 'throwing metal beer barrels at members of the public', 'throwing metal beer barrels at a police car' and 'violent disorder'. Someone capable of that is as capable of domestic abuse as an older person, as are women.

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moderate · 07/02/2026 08:32

TooBigForMyBoots · 07/02/2026 00:45

All right thinking people care about the damage and corruption done by Rape Gangs. Paedophile circles and powerful, international, sex traffickers.

Most of them will not vote for Reform UK because they are not racist. Or stupid. Or bitter.

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Are you trying to make my point for me?

EuclidianGeometryFan · 07/02/2026 08:12

EmeraldRoulette · 06/02/2026 15:54

@EuclidianGeometryFan aren't you the person who should be able to answer that question? I often wonder what Green voters are thinking. Why did you support them?

I used to support them when their primary concern was the environment. That is also my primary concern.
Their primary concerns now seem to be Palestine and gender politics.

I do not believe transwomen are women, and I do believe women should keep their single sex provisions.

As a socialist, I am politically homeless.

TooBigForMyBoots · 07/02/2026 02:20

GaIadriel · 07/02/2026 01:44

Not quite the same as 1200 women being openly assaulted in public, many in front of their powerless husbands. That kind of thing only happens in the middle east usually - arab spring etc.

I've no idea how Reform would stop it. As stated, I'm not a big fan. But events like the one outlined are what are driving people to vote for people like Farage. You could perhaps argue that less asylum seekers would mean less sexual assaults being perpetrated by asylum seekers.

Im ok campaigning for the rights of women and girls. Regardless of the birthplace of the violent, misogynist men who abuse, rape and murder them.

No one with the slightest bit of cop on, would vote Farage for women's rights.

GaIadriel · 07/02/2026 01:44

TooBigForMyBoots · 07/02/2026 01:03

Way more than 1200 UK women are raped or assaulted every single night in this country.Angry

How will Reform stop this?

Not quite the same as 1200 women being openly assaulted in public, many in front of their powerless husbands. That kind of thing only happens in the middle east usually - arab spring etc.

I've no idea how Reform would stop it. As stated, I'm not a big fan. But events like the one outlined are what are driving people to vote for people like Farage. You could perhaps argue that less asylum seekers would mean less sexual assaults being perpetrated by asylum seekers.

TooBigForMyBoots · 07/02/2026 01:03

GaIadriel · 07/02/2026 00:50

Well, I'm not really a big fan of reform but it wasn't white British men that sexually assaulted 1200 German women in one night or have more than half of their demographic stating that homosexuality should be illegal. And fgm/child marriage etc ain't too great either.

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Way more than 1200 UK women are raped or assaulted every single night in this country.Angry

How will Reform stop this?

GaIadriel · 07/02/2026 00:56

Ninerainbows · 06/02/2026 17:42

They terrify me.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gpnl0x3w3o.amp

"Farage stressed: "I'm not a Tate supporter. I'm identifying the truth, that young men feel that they're not allowed to be blokes."

What does being blokes mean? I can guess.

He also says men make sacrifices to get top jobs and women do not. I wish he could walk a mile in a mother's shoes.

Tbf 95% of workplace deaths are male. That's kinda the biggest sacrifice of them all. 99% of women would not be able to hack the job I do in construction.

GaIadriel · 07/02/2026 00:50

Well, I'm not really a big fan of reform but it wasn't white British men that sexually assaulted 1200 German women in one night or have more than half of their demographic stating that homosexuality should be illegal. And fgm/child marriage etc ain't too great either.

TooBigForMyBoots · 07/02/2026 00:45

moderate · 06/02/2026 23:54

That cartoon is a straw man.

Reform voters are fed up with being told that they’re racist for caring about rape gangs.

If the Left keep proving they don’t care about the things the majority care about, the Right will keep gaining.

That’s what happens in a democracy.

All right thinking people care about the damage and corruption done by Rape Gangs. Paedophile circles and powerful, international, sex traffickers.

Most of them will not vote for Reform UK because they are not racist. Or stupid. Or bitter.

moderate · 06/02/2026 23:54

Echobelly · 06/02/2026 21:06

I mean, how about neither men nor women having to make sacrifices for top jobs (not that it isn't bollocks that high flying women don't make sacrifices!). It's this whole 'for one group to succeed another has to fail' thing. Reminds me of this cartoon

That cartoon is a straw man.

Reform voters are fed up with being told that they’re racist for caring about rape gangs.

If the Left keep proving they don’t care about the things the majority care about, the Right will keep gaining.

That’s what happens in a democracy.

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 06/02/2026 23:15

Right, so your claim that the lib dems had apologised was incorrect. It never happened. Thank you for confirming this.

As for the BBC, it didn't conclude that it was technically incorrect to describe Reform as far right. Rather, it concluded that use of the term was not in line with the BBC's editorial guidelines. Those guidelines include, for example, the avoidance of highly charged political labels which might be considered to be subjective or controversial.

As for Reform being far right? Just listen to their rhetoric. Look at what their candidates, councillors and MPs say, both in person and on social media. Watch their deliberate, calculated attempts to stir up hate. Look at the connections that they have with far right movements in other countries. Look at some of their policies, such as threatening to remove the right to stay in the UK for people who have already been given the right to permanently settle here and have built their lives here on that basis.

moderate · 06/02/2026 23:13

FreeTheOakTree · 06/02/2026 18:24

Why?

Legitimate question.

What makes you think you would be happy to see her as PM?

Did you not read up the quote history for the context?

She knows what a woman is.

Clavinova · 06/02/2026 22:33

CanalLetty · 06/02/2026 22:21

Here's some more information about those arrested and sentenced.

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/list-far-right-protesters-jailed-9489456

I suppose we can only draw our own conclusions about whether these people might be the alleged perpetrators, witnesses or victims' of domestic abuse reports.

Misleading title; List of far-right protesters jailed, arrested or wanted by police after Castle Park riot

From a cursory look: Ebrim Jadama, Terrell Morris, Abdinasir Hussein, Mohamed Osman and Jivara Omar don't look or sound like far-right protesters to me.

I suppose we can only draw our own conclusions about whether these people might be the alleged perpetrators, witnesses or victims' of domestic abuse reports

Clearly some of those listed were women and children.

CanalLetty · 06/02/2026 22:21

Clavinova · 06/02/2026 22:01

To be fair, your link goes on to say that Bristol police did not identify whether 'those arrested on August 3 were the alleged perpetrators, witnesses or victims' of domestic abuse reports.

In addition, the report does not tell us how many counter-protesters were arrested - the FOI request would also include counter-protesters; 'there were violent clashes between those protesters and police, and also with counter-protesters'

Here's some more information about those arrested and sentenced.

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/list-far-right-protesters-jailed-9489456

I suppose we can only draw our own conclusions about whether these people might be the alleged perpetrators, witnesses or victims' of domestic abuse reports.

List of far-right protesters jailed, arrested or wanted by police

Dozens of people are facing justice

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/list-far-right-protesters-jailed-9489456

SeriousFaffing · 06/02/2026 22:07

JustSomeWaferThinHam · 06/02/2026 21:34

Omg - I was rushing because I was in the middle of something and got the names mixed up. A thousand apologies to Stockport and Southport. 🙄

I notice there is no answer to my question, just deflection and accusations.

@JustSomeWaferThinHam and a reminder of where the thuggery came from 👍 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c99v90813j5o.amp

Composite picture showing protesters milling near the back of a police van (picture taken during the Southport riot of 30 July 2024). In the foreground, a super-imposed hand is holding a smartphone, on which is a LinkedIn post by Eddie Murray (now dele...

Southport riot: How a LinkedIn post helped spark unrest - BBC tracks its spread - BBC News

The social media post was quickly taken down, but screenshots were viewed millions of times.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c99v90813j5o.amp

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SeriousFaffing · 06/02/2026 22:05

JustSomeWaferThinHam · 06/02/2026 21:34

Omg - I was rushing because I was in the middle of something and got the names mixed up. A thousand apologies to Stockport and Southport. 🙄

I notice there is no answer to my question, just deflection and accusations.

@JustSomeWaferThinHam Yeah, you got the names mixed up because you don’t know the area. If you knew the area, the slip wouldn’t have happened. And if you knew the area, you’d have a semblance of how distasteful it is for you to paste your agenda onto this harrowing event

See 1:25 in

Again, the locals - who were out rebuilding walls and sweeping up the debris caused by these thugs - know what happened. But crack on with your shameful agenda.

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