The most pernicious secret about Reform

Well, Greens, Labour and Lib Dem refuse to recognise that I exist as a separate legal entity to certain special men so at least Reform understand what women are.

Imo it’s easier to combat any straightforward, old fashioned misogyny than have to start from trying to persuade people that women are entitled to human rights too.

And because the mainstream parties have already been caught lying and attempting to smear Reform with every type of accusation, I’m taking all that with a pinch of salt.

I am not a voluntary Reform supporter but they seem like the least worst in a very very bad field.

Reform are already cosing up to anti abortion groups from North America.

Farage always votes against policies that would protect women. That’s a matter of public record.

Farage votes against policies like harassment, spiking and upskirting.

Farage thinks Andrew Tate is an important voice for men and has been pictured with him who is a known trafficker of women. Not to mention the party has taken Russian bribes.

Getting rid of the NHS will mean an insurance based system that will just go up every single year. add to that the costs of medical bills for children and if you get divorced will that burden fall more on mothers?

I do think you have to be stupid to vote for a bunch of former Tory rejects and Farage who helped caused the immigration mess in the first place and promoted Brexit. We know Brexit made the country poorer.

no, I’m not saying that women are a fractional part of society. I’m saying that the people that were being referred to in that comment are such a small fraction of society. They are vulnerable and marginalised.
Do you have any data to back up the 'vulnerable and marginalised' claim. Or have you done a Starmer and naively believed lies when they are told to you?

Maybe they are hoping for free hypnotic boob jobs on the NHS? Cosmetic procedures are very popular in that age group.

Farage was also quite clear that he didn't like Tate's ideas.

It really doesn't help convince people when you present stuff dishonestly. It's the same with the abortion point - Farage has said he thinks in line with earlier viability due to improved tech, the kind of limits that Europe has are more appropriate. That's not actually that radical or unusual a perspective, lots of people, including women, in the UK tend to agree. It's the kind of thing adults should be able to discuss without just pointing fingers.

All you have done is make it look like you need to lie and misrepresent to make Farage look bad, which is not a great way to convince anyone.

I don’t think left-wing parties are friends to women. The Greens teaming up with The Muslim Vote - what’s that about?

Related to this, I was really disturbed by Reform’s complete opposition to laws intended to improve online safety for children. This is such an important issue and Reform are more interested in making it as easy as possible to access porn online. I don’t think Reform take children or families into consideration at all. I really worry that the protection of children would be completely disregarded under Reform. Reform’s attitude towards SEN is downright offensive. As a mum, I feel that is my issue and something that would interest many women. It may interest men too, but they seem less inclined to consider children as a top issue.

As opposed to the "women can have penises" party or the "lesbians are genital fetishists" party or the "minor-attracted persons have rights too" party?

And again: the ability to define "women" as a sex class isn't the bathwater, it's the foundations on which the bath rests.

I mean, it's not surprising that people who get arrested at a riot would be violent in other regards. I'm not sure that proves a lot, necessarily.

Although, to be fair, I also wouldn't be surprised to find out that there is a correlation.

To the chagrin of most true rightoids, there is no evidence that Reform is as extreme as their political enemies like to make out. They are pretty milktoast. Yes they have extremists in their ranks but so do the leftist alternatives. They'd be further dumbed down if they got anywhere near power. They are also looking increasingly like a they're being co-opted into a containment operation. I think you can rest easy.

But I'll also add - at least they're wolves in wolves clothing. The naivety of people calling "misogyny" out at the right need to direct their energies at ensuring their is a women friendly electoral option on the left. Because all the leftist parties, even the Womens Equality party have demonstrated far greater contempt to the sex based rights of me, my daughters and my mother and have proven they're a far greater threat than the right. The left are wolves in sheep's clothing. And that's far more sinister.

I'm 61 and completely agree with you. All this whining about "we've worked hard all our lives" and then retiring in mid / late 50s when that will certainly not be an option for the younger generation.

This.
The chart shows 44% of women age 18-24 thinking of voting Green.

I say this as an ex lifelong Green voter:
OMG what the hell are they thinking!!!😱

Reform, though? The "feminism is a cancer" party, that Reform? The "women are too promiscuous " party? Reform, 20% of whose MPs have a conviction for assault of a woman?

I agree about the importance of women as a sex class. But do you really want to throw out the baby with the bathwater? Access to abortion is important for women's rights. As is access to healthcare. As is support for domestic abuse.

I'm not saying you don't care about women, but I think you need to look at the bigger picture if you think Reform of all people are the answer to the erosion of women's sex based rights.

Well, if you're fine with liberal misogyny, then of course you'll be happy. But those who aren't fine with any misogyny, won't be.

To put it in terms you might understand: If you had to vote between a party that was great for women's rights in most regards except that they thought abortion should be banned after 6 weeks, and a party that wasn't great for women's rights overall but thought abortion should be allowed up to 24 weeks, you probably wouldn't feel too happy about your options either.

It seems rather foolish to me to erase the class of women and then expect it to be possible to protect women's rights.

Also meant to add, I wonder if there is a link between racism and misogyny. After the Southport riots they found 2 out of 5 men arrested had previously been reported for domestic violence.

They don’t want to protect women. They want to control women.

Well that’s only the case if you consider the inclusion of trans women to be a bad thing. For me, it’s more like being spat on AND kicked by Reform or .. a much nicer option for everyone.

Farage has said that he think abortion date limits are too high. He is a fan of Trump.

Reform voted against the Employment Rights Bill, aimed at preventing workplace sexual harassment.

Reform promised to replace the Equality Act 2010 and scrap all equality, diversity and inclusion measures – the protections that underpin women’s rights in law.

Farage has called Andrew Tate “an important voice for men”

I understand your point, and personally I wouldn't vote for Reform...but would you rather be spat on, or kicked? I mean, personally, I'd rather neither of those things happen to me, and I wouldn't want to vote for either of those options.

It's a little sad that it's the argument that needs to be used to convince women who to vote for. "They only want to do this less-bad thing to you." Oh, well, wonderful.

Men grow up believing that they are the rational, emotionless ones, so they find it much harder to spot when they are being fed propaganda designed to play on their emotions. They believe everything they feel is based in actual logic. They can't be influenced by their feelings because that would be feminine and therefore bad.

So when some random russian troll online agrees with them that the country is shit and then says the fault lies with immigrants/Muslims/women, it's harder for these types of guys to see that it's someone manipulating their feelings about a shit situation and giving them someone to blame. They don't see they're being played, they just want a scapegoat to direct their anger at to make themselves feel better, and the online propaganda machine is happy to provide that for them.

Would you rather have a legally defined “protected” status for women but women generally have a lower quality of life, fewer rights and freedoms, or women have a better quality of life, more rights and freedoms, reliable healthcare and treatments such as abortion (not needed by trans women anyway) but share this good fortune with a very few trans women? It seems rather foolish to say I want women to be labelled women but by the people who generally will treat women worse.

I don't know who I'll be voting for and I'm in Wales so we have elections coming up soon. But one thing's for sure. I'll never vote for a party that's been trying to say that men can self-declare themselves to be women. Because if they're willing to lie about something as fundamental to reality as that (throwing women under the bus in the process), they will literally lie about anything.