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To say don't use a wood burner if you have children in the house?

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MojoMoon · 06/02/2026 08:46

AIBU to say anyone using a wood burning stove with children in the house when it is for cosy vibes and other forms of heating are available should be viewed the same way as someone smoking with children in the room or the car?

Particulate pollution has been linked to miscarriage, low birth weight, respiratory problems and a higher risk of developing dementia.

Why do wood burning defenders respond so vigorously to studies like this? Is it because they have spent money on a wood burning stove and don't want to accept that they should remove it? Is it because they have a feeling of guilt about having been using it with children for years and worry about the damage already done? Or do they simply not believe particulates to be dangerous despite all the scientific evidence to the contrary.

Study:

Children living in homes with wood burners could be exposed to over three times more particulate pollution than those in non-wood-burning homes. The results come from a study that looked at air pollution experienced by primary schoolchildren in Wales.

Fifty-three children from two primary schools in Anglesey (Ynys Môn) were given backpacks equipped with air pollution sensors. They took the packs home and carried them during their journeys to and from school.
Dr Hanbin Zhang, from the University of Exeter and part of the study team, said: “One thing that stood out was the home environment. This was the largest contributor to children’s daily particle pollution exposure – more than school or commuting. This was mainly due to indoor sources such as wood burning and indoor smoking.”

Short peaks in particle pollution were linked to home cooking and secondhand tobacco smoke. Home heating with a fire or stove was linked to longer exposures. In some cases, these persisted overnight in children’s bedrooms as fires remained lit or smouldering with poor ventilation.
Prof Zhiwen Luo from Cardiff University, who led the study said: “During home hours, the average particle pollution in non-smoking homes with wood burners was about 13 micrograms per cubic metre compared with 3.5 micrograms per cubic metre in non-smoking homes without wood burners.
“The study is small, but the contrast was consistent and supports the conclusion that wood burning can substantially increase indoor particle pollution.”
One school was in Holyhead, and the other was in a rural area. We often think of towns and cities are being the most polluted places, but on average, researchers found urban children experienced less particle pollution, compared with those at the rural school.
The study took place in winter, and researchers attributed these differences to contrasts in wood burning. This took place in 21% of homes for the urban schoolchildren and 53% in the rural school.

Cooking added to the measured air pollution, especially when the backpacks were left close to the kitchen in the children’s homes. Short pollution peaks were also measured when children walked past bakeries and restaurants on the high street.

Particle pollution inside the schools was much lower than during travel and at home.

Children who walked to and from school experienced less pollution compared with children who were driven. Parental smoking while driving produced the highest concentrations measured in the study.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2026/feb/06/children-living-homes-wood-burners-exposed-pollution?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0301479725042677?via%3Dihub

University of Exeter

https://experts.exeter.ac.uk/41457-hanbin-zhang

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MsWilmottsGhost · 06/02/2026 15:55

Particulate concentrations have greatly reduced over time. Woodburners are a target because they are one of the sources if particulates that are left, and it's easier to target woodburners than persuade people to reduce driving...

Road transport continues to be a major source of PM emissions, contributing 21 per cent of total PM2.5 emissions and 18 per cent of total PM10 emissions in 2023

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/emissions-of-air-pollutants/emissions-of-air-pollutants-in-the-uk-particulate-matter-pm10-and-pm25

Emissions of air pollutants in the UK – Particulate matter (PM10 and PM2.5)

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/emissions-of-air-pollutants/emissions-of-air-pollutants-in-the-uk-particulate-matter-pm10-and-pm25

Costell9 · 06/02/2026 15:52

ASometimeThing · 06/02/2026 09:24

We have a modern, approved wood burner with good ventilation in the room. We burn only wood that has been seasoned.

I recently tested the air quality when it had been running for hours and it remained excellent.

Comparing a woodburner to hot-boxing children in a car is just silly.

Hello - please could you link what you used to test your air quality?
I have a wood burner and would like to test our room air quality. Thanks.x

OchonAgusOchonOh · 06/02/2026 15:50

outdooryone · 06/02/2026 14:54

Ah, another of the mums for lungs posts again....

Someone pops up here every few months and wades in with an inflexible, dominating and inflexible view on woodburners and fires.

While I agree with OP's postings, the tone of the argument is really awful and does not help the cause in my view.

It might be fair enough if the study the op linked to actually found what she claimed it did. Given it doesn't, she simply looks like someone who is clueless but will jump on the latest bandwagon and pontificate without any proper research.

DeftGoldHedgehog · 06/02/2026 15:48

We just have a fire, no wood burner, in the countryside.

MsWilmottsGhost · 06/02/2026 15:44

Lots of rural areas still heat using oil. It's expensive. Heat pumps may well be an improvement, but relying 100% on electric is still risky in areas where power cuts are likely. Woodburners will still be used as backup.

Does anyone have any stats from the scandi countries? They are generally electric with woodburners in rural areas. What are their particulate levels?

Chisbots · 06/02/2026 15:43

I'm particularly pissed off today as my back garden has smelt heavily of smoke all day. My throat is sore, my eyes are stinging and the air filter is going nuts.

If you are my neighbours, you can fuck off to beyond the furthest place you can fuck off to...I know you're normally nice polite people but really burning day and night is getting very tedious.

MsWilmottsGhost · 06/02/2026 15:38

Fimofriend · 06/02/2026 13:27

Also FYI: Great Britain has the highest percentage of people with respiratory problems in Europe.
Wood burners, badly insulated and ironically also badly ventilated houses ( causing mould), and a high percentage of smokers will do that.

It's a bit of a stretch to blame it on woodburners though 😂 fair enough the poorly ventilated housing and smokers. UK is also cold and damp compared to much of Europe, and more densely populated than the rest. It's a good way to spread respiratory infections.

Thechaseison71 · 06/02/2026 15:36

SomedayIllBeSaturdayNight · 06/02/2026 15:28

If it's a wood burner or nothing, then obviously they are necessary, but surely most people can find a less harmful way of being 'cosy', or whatever their reason for having a wood burner is?

Usually heating id imagine.

Thechaseison71 · 06/02/2026 15:34

JoanOgden · 06/02/2026 13:23

As others have said, many of the posts on this thread are absolutely textbook examples of denial, deflection and distraction. Psychologically fascinating.

But agree that as a society we should focus on where the risks are highest - which I think in this context is open fires, people whose only source of heat/cooking is burning wood, and burning dangerous crap. As far as I can tell there is ZERO enforcement of the Clean Air Acts.

If councils were funded to carry out surveys and fine people who used open fires/woodburners illegally, or burnt unsuitable materials, that would make a massive difference. There should also be a campaign to make clear that open fires are REALLY bad for people, especially babies and small children, and ideally government funding to support poor households relying on open fires to install safer forms of heating.

The people I bought my house from had an open fire which they used regularly, despite having small children and being in a smoke control zone. Appalling. I can only imagine that they just did not understand the health or legal risks, so we need an advertising campaign to make the facts clear.

Used to have to use smokeless fuel in my mums open fire which was in the city. Ordinary coal wasn't allowed.

MsWilmottsGhost · 06/02/2026 15:31

merrymelody · 06/02/2026 09:46

I didn’t read the entire OP but I think I got the gist. I’m sure that using wood burning open sources of heat all the time, every day, would be damaging to human health but surely a few logs on the fire from time to time can’t be too bad…

This.

The study appears to be comparing urban areas with rural areas and saying that rural areas have higher particulates in the home than urban due to wood burning stoves. It's likely that the rural areas may be using the stoves as their main heat source. Not using the stoves would have health risks too 🥶🥶🥶

"Having a wood burning stove" is not very harmful. For example, I "have a stove" in my garage, I'm pretty sure it isn't producing any particulates at all.

The biggest risk from using a woodburner occasionally isn't from particulates.... 🔥🔥🔥

SomedayIllBeSaturdayNight · 06/02/2026 15:28

If it's a wood burner or nothing, then obviously they are necessary, but surely most people can find a less harmful way of being 'cosy', or whatever their reason for having a wood burner is?

KingJanie · 06/02/2026 15:25

How should we heat our homes that is affordable and healthy?

Beacuse living in a cold house is also very very bad for people...

KingJanie · 06/02/2026 15:23

Also becausethe cost of energy is so extortionate in the UK lots of people are turning to use real fires to either supplement their heating and keep the central heating low or as a main source.

And the cost of energy is largely so high in the UK because of the environmetal lobby.

So the environmentalists are killing the kids by pushing people to wood burners??

PolarGear · 06/02/2026 15:15

Comtesse · 06/02/2026 14:48

Do we hate wood burning because it causes generalised pollution? Or do because it causes more pollution inside the home? Or both? Frankly I’m confused what the problem is…..

Me too.

And is it middle class 'hobby fires' owners who are the real baddies because they don't need them and only have them for fun? (But they actually only light them very occasionally and presumably being fashionable and well off burn the best quality dry stuff)

Or are the worst of the worst people those who live rurally, off grid and in poverty and burn fires most days for long hours because they are there only heat source (and they may use free fuel which is not kiln dried?)

Because several posters seem to both hate group A but also concede that lighting the fire rarely for short periods of time and using quality logs is such a problem...while also having sympathy for group B and seemingly understanding that having not heating or hot water at all is not great for health either....

justtheotheronemrswembley · 06/02/2026 15:13

It is genuinely amazing just how many of these type of threads just so happen to contain a link to an article in The Guardian.

Funny, that.

Comtesse · 06/02/2026 15:08

KingJanie · 06/02/2026 14:55

It's not that they are chic or middle class, it's that fire is beautiful and fascinating to humans. Always has been.
It's just middle class people can afford it and as we have central heating now too it's not a just chore anymore it's an additional mood enhancer. Like a beautiful painting. Or candlight. Or the sun.

It's become a beautiful luxury which enhances people's experience in their home.

Pretending it's just a fashion people have bene conned into is very silly.

It's one of my great pleasures in life: wine, in front of a fire and candlight.

Edited

Lots of people use wood/ coal heating in rural areas because they don’t have access to gas and it costs too much to install / run electric heating.

Plus power cuts are far more common in rural areas. We used to get power cuts a couple of times a year in the country as kids - days at a time occasionally. Having a back up for heating and cooking makes sense.

feelingsarentfacts · 06/02/2026 15:06

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soupyspoon · 06/02/2026 15:04

Yes I love fire. All contained in a little box in the corner

KingJanie · 06/02/2026 14:55

Anyahyacinth · 06/02/2026 14:33

I don't get why people see them as chic or desirable they are a return to a Victorian age of poor air quality and consequent deaths

It's not that they are chic or middle class, it's that fire is beautiful and fascinating to humans. Always has been.
It's just middle class people can afford it and as we have central heating now too it's not a just chore anymore it's an additional mood enhancer. Like a beautiful painting. Or candlight. Or the sun.

It's become a beautiful luxury which enhances people's experience in their home.

Pretending it's just a fashion people have bene conned into is very silly.

It's one of my great pleasures in life: wine, in front of a fire and candlight.

outdooryone · 06/02/2026 14:54

Ah, another of the mums for lungs posts again....

Someone pops up here every few months and wades in with an inflexible, dominating and inflexible view on woodburners and fires.

While I agree with OP's postings, the tone of the argument is really awful and does not help the cause in my view.

DuchessofStaffordshire · 06/02/2026 14:51

IAxolotlQuestions · 06/02/2026 14:23

They are fine and I'm never giving mine up. It saves vast amounts on heating and means that should the power go out I will not freeze.

It's just the latest 'everyone, panic!' pronouncement.

Wood will stay in equilibrium with it's environment so if there is humidity in the air, the wood will take on more moisture and no longer be as dry. - Just how wet do you think the UK is? I know it's quite rainy, but it's not that bad.

The current humidity is around 95%.

soupyspoon · 06/02/2026 14:50

KingJanie · 06/02/2026 14:48

You may have a point OP but many people are tired and jaded with environmentalists yelling at us to stop things, and that we're all going to die.

There is a 2 way psychological effect here: people who yell and cry wolf eventually get ignored, and people will justify what they want to continue doing.

I have a wood burner. I love it. I light it when we're relaxing at the weekends and the ambience it creates in my home brings me joy.

Would I sacrifice this pleasure if I knew it was killing me? Probably, but given the list of things killing me seems to be endless and unavoidable I'm not inclined yet to assume this is the one thing I have to do.

I am open to clear evdienec whihchguides sensible decisons. But yelling at people that they might as well run 18 deisel cars in their living room, is just going to turn myself and others off.

But I also love scented candles so I'm probably a lost cause anyway.
Save Yourselves.

Yes same here

It occured to me while eating my lunch just now, yet another thing to worry about, oily fish and their heavy metals. Killing me

I'll put the burner on later and get it over and done with.

KingJanie · 06/02/2026 14:48

You may have a point OP but many people are tired and jaded with environmentalists yelling at us to stop things, and that we're all going to die.

There is a 2 way psychological effect here: people who yell and cry wolf eventually get ignored, and people will justify what they want to continue doing.

I have a wood burner. I love it. I light it when we're relaxing at the weekends and the ambience it creates in my home brings me joy.

Would I sacrifice this pleasure if I knew it was killing me? Probably, but given the list of things killing me seems to be endless and unavoidable I'm not inclined yet to assume this is the one thing I have to do.

I am open to clear evdienec whihchguides sensible decisons. But yelling at people that they might as well run 18 deisel cars in their living room, is just going to turn myself and others off.

But I also love scented candles so I'm probably a lost cause anyway.
Save Yourselves.

SunnyViper · 06/02/2026 14:48

The particulates can be massively reduced by using filters. I have an electrostatic filter in the chimney which reduced emissions by 95% and I run a filter in the rooms with a log burner which reduces particulates to negligible levels indoors. I live in a large 17th century farmhouse and a log burner is a back up and also an adjunct when it’s really cold.

Comtesse · 06/02/2026 14:48

Do we hate wood burning because it causes generalised pollution? Or do because it causes more pollution inside the home? Or both? Frankly I’m confused what the problem is…..

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