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To say don't use a wood burner if you have children in the house?

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MojoMoon · 06/02/2026 08:46

AIBU to say anyone using a wood burning stove with children in the house when it is for cosy vibes and other forms of heating are available should be viewed the same way as someone smoking with children in the room or the car?

Particulate pollution has been linked to miscarriage, low birth weight, respiratory problems and a higher risk of developing dementia.

Why do wood burning defenders respond so vigorously to studies like this? Is it because they have spent money on a wood burning stove and don't want to accept that they should remove it? Is it because they have a feeling of guilt about having been using it with children for years and worry about the damage already done? Or do they simply not believe particulates to be dangerous despite all the scientific evidence to the contrary.

Study:

Children living in homes with wood burners could be exposed to over three times more particulate pollution than those in non-wood-burning homes. The results come from a study that looked at air pollution experienced by primary schoolchildren in Wales.

Fifty-three children from two primary schools in Anglesey (Ynys Môn) were given backpacks equipped with air pollution sensors. They took the packs home and carried them during their journeys to and from school.
Dr Hanbin Zhang, from the University of Exeter and part of the study team, said: “One thing that stood out was the home environment. This was the largest contributor to children’s daily particle pollution exposure – more than school or commuting. This was mainly due to indoor sources such as wood burning and indoor smoking.”

Short peaks in particle pollution were linked to home cooking and secondhand tobacco smoke. Home heating with a fire or stove was linked to longer exposures. In some cases, these persisted overnight in children’s bedrooms as fires remained lit or smouldering with poor ventilation.
Prof Zhiwen Luo from Cardiff University, who led the study said: “During home hours, the average particle pollution in non-smoking homes with wood burners was about 13 micrograms per cubic metre compared with 3.5 micrograms per cubic metre in non-smoking homes without wood burners.
“The study is small, but the contrast was consistent and supports the conclusion that wood burning can substantially increase indoor particle pollution.”
One school was in Holyhead, and the other was in a rural area. We often think of towns and cities are being the most polluted places, but on average, researchers found urban children experienced less particle pollution, compared with those at the rural school.
The study took place in winter, and researchers attributed these differences to contrasts in wood burning. This took place in 21% of homes for the urban schoolchildren and 53% in the rural school.

Cooking added to the measured air pollution, especially when the backpacks were left close to the kitchen in the children’s homes. Short pollution peaks were also measured when children walked past bakeries and restaurants on the high street.

Particle pollution inside the schools was much lower than during travel and at home.

Children who walked to and from school experienced less pollution compared with children who were driven. Parental smoking while driving produced the highest concentrations measured in the study.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2026/feb/06/children-living-homes-wood-burners-exposed-pollution?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0301479725042677?via%3Dihub

University of Exeter

https://experts.exeter.ac.uk/41457-hanbin-zhang

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Christwosheds · 06/02/2026 11:27

I live rurally, and in Winter many people in the village burn wood. At times the air pollution both outside and in my house is so bad that it affects my chest and I need to run an air purifier machine indoors.
I have a wood burner that came with the house, but I only use it a few times a year maximum, it was useful once when the boiler packed up over Christmas.
I do think that the general pollution from burning wood is ignored, my village can get almost smoggy, when you can smell the smoke wherever you are outside.

1dayatatime · 06/02/2026 11:27

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oblong920 · 06/02/2026 11:26

If we had mains gas available then I'd have it - but like many rural places in the country we don't.

Our house is too far from the road for us to be able to have oil, is accessed by a long narrow path that means ground source heat pump installation is not possible and our 1950's house would cost a bomb to heat with an air source heat pump.

So we have shitty storage heaters that are cold by the evening even if we set them to be much too hot in the morning. They are also hugely expensive. So we have a multi fuel burner and burn smokeless coal.

I don't know why more people don't burn smokeless coal, unless you get the wood for free (which is going to be ridiculously smoky if it's not seasoned) then smokeless is more efficient and healthier. It's a higher upfront cost but it burns much hotter - and wood burns 40% faster.

TBH the biggest cause of pollution where we like is the large farm estate that burns all it's green waste no matter how wet it is.

applegingermint · 06/02/2026 11:26

Ohthatsabitshit · 06/02/2026 11:08

We have open fires and a wood burner as did my parents, grandparents and great grandparents. I don’t think this is a huge “risk” and would be more focused on exercise and outside time for lung health myself.

There is a huge, huge body of evidence on the dangers of open fires. So much so that there’s numerous micro finance initiatives to help poorer families purchase cleaner, smokeless cookstoves. Open fires are a recognised global health risk.

An hour’s exercise doesn’t negate the 10+ hours spent in bed overnight exposed to those particulates.

If you must use a wood burner then a modern DEFRA approved stove is really the minimum you should have in your home.

Snippit · 06/02/2026 11:25

During the winter months when I’m walking my dogs I have to take my asthma inhaler out with me now. This is due to so many people having log burners, I can smell it in my hair when I get home.

I don’t know what they’re burning, they’re supposed to use seasoned wood, but could be burning anything, it simply stinks and certainly triggers off breathing difficulties 🤷‍♀️

soupyspoon · 06/02/2026 11:24

wishingonastar101 · 06/02/2026 11:06

But surely you mitigate the risk of being hit by a car by teaching them road safety and reduce the risk of obesity by teaching them about healthy living? Why would you not mitigate the risk of smoke inhalation by not burning stuff in your home?

On a societal level no one is bothering really,s eriously to reduce obesity for children

At home people will make their own choices but dont seem too bothered

In terms of burning, as with others I use the best wood, have a well maintained and serviced burner and we have an air quality monitor which doesnt show any concern when the burner is on. Although it does flag when the gas hob is on for some reason.

Wellthisisdifficult · 06/02/2026 11:24

I don’t think it’s completely clear cut. I have a modern house with no fire at all, so no skin in this game really. But I think you are partly right. Yes we used to burn all sorts of gubbins in open fires when we were kids, but the house was single glazed, there were always draughts, I dare say that the issue of burning stuff in the house wasn’t that bad then. We now live in practically air tight boxes, often in built up environments.

On the flip side, all energy production is polluting our world, even “green” energy requires obtaining raw materials for manufacture/manufacture/transport/installation/disruption of the natural environment.

I think wood burners in practically air tight homes are a bad idea (esp in smallish rooms) but we need to consider this as a very small part of our exposure to pollutants especially micro plastics and airborne toxins.

Living by the coast I’m also very highly aware of water quality.

Humans need to change, we need less energy usage all round - the multitude of pollutants we create needs to be addressed, wood burners are prob the least of our worries

Catwalking · 06/02/2026 11:23

BunfightBetty · 06/02/2026 10:22

Is it ok then, if they go up the chimney and out into the air so your neighbours breathe it instead?

Do your neighbours sit on your roof around your chimney?

FlyingApple · 06/02/2026 11:23

Better advice is to get a good quality air purifier and see what happens.

For instance, my purifier speeds up just from cooking dinner.

You'd soon know if you had a problem.

MojoMoon · 06/02/2026 11:23

BoredZelda · 06/02/2026 11:16

Where do you think the power for those other forms of heat comes from? It’s not made of unicorn farts and fairy dust.

Correct, it is not unicorn farts. It's mostly gas in the UK, then wind and nuclear.

Burning gas for power is not ideal from a global climate change perspective albeit unavoidable currently but this isn't about carbon dioxide, it's about air pollution (particulates) in your home.

Burning gas at a power station does not increase particulate levels in your house.
Therefore using electricity regardless of what is generating it on the grid might have a carbon impact globally but it does not impact particulates in your home.

Burning wood does increase particulates in your house.

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MoreDangerousThanAWomanScorned · 06/02/2026 11:21

awakeandasleep · 06/02/2026 11:06

Yes this is interesting. What about if you put on the car filter to stop outside fumes? Is it better to keep this off and smell the fumes? It is all so confusing. Does anyone know the answer to this?

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From this study I think that you are better off with the filter on - it says: 'using closed window and recirculating air condition [...] reduces particulate matter concentrations'. But it's from 2012 - and car designs have changed since then (but hopefully the filtration has only improved) and it took me quite a lot of digging to find that answer!

DdraigGoch · 06/02/2026 11:21

MojoMoon · 06/02/2026 09:51

"According to a report released in 2021 by the European Environmental Bureau, one Ecodesign-compliant wood burning stove releases the same amount of particulate matter per hour as 18 newer diesel cars or six modern heavy goods vehicles."

https://www.which.co.uk/reviews/gas-and-electric-fires-and-stoves/article/stoves-and-pollution-aIPXC8g7lbu5

You know that stoves are connected to a chimney? It's not at all like parking your car indoors with the engine on and no exhaust extraction.

PolarGear · 06/02/2026 11:20

wishingonastar101 · 06/02/2026 11:13

I find it so weird when some says "this thing is bad for your health" people come out and say "but this other thing is worse"... two things can be bad... two things can be avoided / changed.

Absolutely.

But in a situation with limited energy, resources etc we generally focus on improving the health of the most.

Reading that article and the conclusions it is this finding that leaped out at me as the one we should be doing much more on more quickly.

The logistics and infrastructure investment needed in rural areas to combat the needs for wood fired heating is much longer term than tackling the stupidity of driving kids to school when they live in walking distance.

The health impacts from wood burning cannot be compared to tobacco harms. Smoking kills and maims at least 2 out of 3 of its users and the link is directly proven.

HarryVanderspeigle · 06/02/2026 11:19

I also appreciate that the log burner offers us resilience against things like power cuts. We were recently without water for over a week and were very glad of the water butts for things like flushing. The log burner means we can be warm when there is no power, or the boiler breaks. But I wouldn't want it to be our main source of heat, it's an occasional nice to have.

itsthetea · 06/02/2026 11:19

DdraigGoch · 06/02/2026 11:17

The particulate matter shed by car tyres is a serious concern. This remains the case with electric cars.

Yes and we need to address all problem over time

it looks like wood burners are a big problem that have a clear impact and that can be avoided

Chisbots · 06/02/2026 11:18

Your well-being may well be improved by having a woodburner, your neighbours in the fume plume will be negatively impacted.

Selfish choices for the individual = overall reduction in health for your neighbours.

MojoMoon · 06/02/2026 11:18

Lemondrizzle4A · 06/02/2026 11:13

Three years ago we replaced our open fire. We read up on everything and in the end went for an expensive( cast iron) electric fire. It was the worst decision we ever made. Looks good but I miss the real thing so this year I am going to be really naughty and invest in a wood burner. Yes I care about the environment but
Im afraid my well being as Insee it out bids the environmental impact I will have.
I will only be using seasoned wood and it will not be used every day.
I’m expecting lots of negative posts.

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But your physical wellbeing is at much greater risk by having it. As is the health of anyone in your house or near neighbours.

The "environment" in the sense of climate change caused by carbon dioxide levels is not the concern here. It is highly localised air pollution. Not climate change.

Smoking does not cause climate change. Wood burning when you really don't need to is the same thing - it's the fine carcinogenic particulates that you inhale in your home.

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BoredZelda · 06/02/2026 11:17

ASometimeThing · 06/02/2026 11:16

I said comparing it to hot boxing children in a car was silly.

We live rurally and off grid. Pretty much everyone in this village has a woodburner. It’s essential for people like us.

This is a point that is often missed. For rural communities where energy grid connectivity can be poor, wood burners are one of the few alternatives available.

itsthetea · 06/02/2026 11:17

It’s not essential

it is a choice based on cost

I admit the cost of alternatives might be substantial but it’s still a trade off you are making

Hyrtlemyrtle · 06/02/2026 11:17

Well done @MojoMoon for highlighting the dangers! I think they will eventually be banned but it will happen area by area to start with.

DdraigGoch · 06/02/2026 11:17

MojoMoon · 06/02/2026 09:44

And yet this study showed the children living in rural areas were exposed to higher particulate levels than those in urban areas.

I agree that the widely held belief is that urban areas have higher particulate exposure which was largely due to diesel vehicles.

But the decline of diesel vehicles and measures like ULEZ appear to reducing urban particulate exposure.

The particulate matter shed by car tyres is a serious concern. This remains the case with electric cars.

BoredZelda · 06/02/2026 11:16

MojoMoon · 06/02/2026 10:02

My agenda is that I believe the scientific evidence shows that wood burning even in a home with a eco design stove with seasoned wood exposes those in the home and their neighbours to a a level of particulates that bas serious negative health consequences including an increased rate of miscarriage, birth defects and low birth rates, respiratory diseases and dementia and that the risks are particularly serious for women and children.

And that in the UK, it is almost entirety an avoidable risk of harm as other forms of heating are widely available.

For the same reason, I believe diesel vehicles should be rapidly banned in cities and then later in all areas. Other forms of transport are widely available and the risk of harm is severe.

Where do you think the power for those other forms of heat comes from? It’s not made of unicorn farts and fairy dust.

ASometimeThing · 06/02/2026 11:16

MojoMoon · 06/02/2026 09:29

Why do you think your measurement of air pollution in your house is fine and valid but a peer reviewed academic study measuring air pollution is silly?

I said comparing it to hot boxing children in a car was silly.

We live rurally and off grid. Pretty much everyone in this village has a woodburner. It’s essential for people like us.

Chisbots · 06/02/2026 11:15

Air quality is feckin awful around our house now. DH is now ill all the time.

We've got people who's entire life seems to revolve around their woodburner(s) and chopping wood endlessly. It's a bloody obsession. They bed them in overnight too and so the air is never clean now. It's a small town, it shouldn't be this bad. It's much, much worse than it used to be and we now run air filters the whole time. Everyone else is moaning about colds that never go away, no-one joins the dots. There was a reason for the clean air Acts in the '50s.

#cleanairmatters