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Work trip to USA

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Wonderbug81 · 06/02/2026 07:54

I'm in a senior role and there's talk of a work trip to US this year. For context I've been to the US multiple times and even lived in NYC for a year a long time ago.

However I'm British Asian and I don't want to go - it's a very different place to the one I lived in.

At the moment it's not a firmed up plan but we'll be going to number of places (not just the more left wing cities) and I want to be ready to discuss it when the time comes.

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cardibach · 10/02/2026 17:24

AnSolas · 06/02/2026 20:45

Why?

If your company is working overseas your travel security is something which it should take into account.

I have worked medium size companies which has one recommendion that staff always have ther luggage brought up by a staff to make sure the room was empty and only take taxis which were arranged by the hotel or company

An international one which had kidnapp insurance and a ransom rescue team and had strict travel rules about having the local staff arrange visitor movement in some parts of the world.

Another which had to try manage political unrest which left local workers trapped on site for days and their famalies trapped at home.

Most will not book senior managers on the same planes anymore.

And just getting the tube and buses in London is not a safe activity any more.

The US is not going to have any more danger than is had before for a documented non-national traveling on business. And if the local staff feel there could be a problem they will be able to notify you and the UK office.

Your main risk from State actors is that you dont know how to manage interactions with an armed police force. Or that you would panic if you think you may be detained/arrested. "Mainly peaceful protest" is not happening and other political activism is usually avoidable.

Sorry…London tube and buses not safe any more? What are you on about?
If you’ve fallen for that ‘London has fallen’ rubbish your opinion on safety isn’t going to be worth a lot so I’m hoping you mean something else.

Wonderbug81 · 10/02/2026 17:21

It's not just about ICE. It's potential hostility from people who live in a country where hate crime has increased and whose President shared an ape video of the Obamas.

I'd be going to the Trump heartland, not California or NYC.

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Probablyshouldntsay · 10/02/2026 17:20

Yanbu OP. Don’t go.
look at how they treated the Koreans they invited in to teach them essential technology for car manufacturing.
Those poor engineers were treated appallingly and has affected trade between the two countries to the tune of millions of dollars.
I have visited often over the last few years but entry to the USA on our last trip was frightening. The agent dd and I saw threatened to take my phone and go through it, accused me of being evasive, grilled dd (11 year old)to such an extent she nearly cried. I had ALL my documents in order, which seemed to anger him even more. He started twisting my replies and I had to work really hard to keep up.
For context, we are both white and blonde (Irish) and have been before with no issues at all. I genuinely think that had we have been anything else race wise, we would have been escorted to some back office for more of it.
It’s so sad that it has changed because I’ve met some wonderful people there, had great holidays etc but I won’t go back unless there is huge political change.

PithyViewer · 10/02/2026 17:16

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 10/02/2026 17:12

Yanbu. I wouldn't want to go in your position. Tbh, I wouldn't risk it myself right now, and I'm white. I hope that your employer is supportive and recognises the risk.

But why? Your legal status would be beyond question, as you'd be on an ESTA visa and therefore in the country totally legally. Why would you even be on ICE's radar?? They'd never have heard of you! They're looking for people who they have records of being in the country illegally and/or committing crimes while there illegally. Also, the arrests may be in the news, but I can assure you, ICE is not on every street corner!!!

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 10/02/2026 17:12

Yanbu. I wouldn't want to go in your position. Tbh, I wouldn't risk it myself right now, and I'm white. I hope that your employer is supportive and recognises the risk.

Wonderbug81 · 10/02/2026 17:10

Gloriia · 10/02/2026 16:11

He's been in the country since 2009. He should have sorted a visa/green card whatever years ago! The judge supported ICE on this.

The bloke is white Irish so it should be of some reassurance to you that they are detaining people without the correct documentation, nothing to do with skin colour.

Have you read the article?

Why would it be more reassuring? It says the authorities treat all kinds of foreigners without fair and due process. Couple that with increases in hate crimes and other discrimination against minorities and it's all worse than initially thought.

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PithyViewer · 10/02/2026 17:09

Gloriia · 10/02/2026 16:11

He's been in the country since 2009. He should have sorted a visa/green card whatever years ago! The judge supported ICE on this.

The bloke is white Irish so it should be of some reassurance to you that they are detaining people without the correct documentation, nothing to do with skin colour.

Yes, and he overstayed his visa. That's how he got in, and that's probably why he was reluctant to put his head above the parapet for so long and didn't apply for legal status for years. He did things the wrong way round, in the wrong order, and broke the law by overstaying a visa, which has always been taken as a very serious offence in America, not just in today's times. (Although the consequences today are obviously very much worse.)

I think not wanting to go there for a few days for work is an over-reaction, and I'd be seriously unimpressed if I were OP's boss and refused to go. I'm confused as to the grounds on which the OP thinks she could be arrested and put in prison. She's British so would be on an ESTA, and therefore would be in the country completely legally, as long as she doesn't overstay the 90 days, of course. It's foreigners who have committed crimes in the US and/or are in the country illegally who are the targets.

PithyViewer · 10/02/2026 17:02

Wonderbug81 · 09/02/2026 10:36

This is such a well considered response. Thank you.

I've been to the US for work and you never, ever say that you're there for work. You just enter on an ESTA and tick the vacation/pleasure box on the entry form.

Gloriia · 10/02/2026 16:11

Wonderbug81 · 10/02/2026 15:57

Yet give it an hour or two and there will be someone along to say it's all hysteria and hyperbole.

He's been in the country since 2009. He should have sorted a visa/green card whatever years ago! The judge supported ICE on this.

The bloke is white Irish so it should be of some reassurance to you that they are detaining people without the correct documentation, nothing to do with skin colour.

Wonderbug81 · 10/02/2026 15:57

theculture · 10/02/2026 05:06

as the previous poster said although the chances are low (but not as low as they were . . .) if something goes wrong it can go very wrong

there are regular conferences in my industry (mostly populated by middle aged white men) in the USA that are going to be a lot emptier in the coming year. . .

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/feb/09/irish-man-seamus-culleton-ice-detention?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Yet give it an hour or two and there will be someone along to say it's all hysteria and hyperbole.

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theculture · 10/02/2026 05:06

as the previous poster said although the chances are low (but not as low as they were . . .) if something goes wrong it can go very wrong

there are regular conferences in my industry (mostly populated by middle aged white men) in the USA that are going to be a lot emptier in the coming year. . .

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/feb/09/irish-man-seamus-culleton-ice-detention?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Irish man with valid US work permit held in ICE detention for five months

Seamus Culleton has lived in US for two decades, married a citizen and runs a plastering business but faces deportation

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/feb/09/irish-man-seamus-culleton-ice-detention?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

AnSolas · 09/02/2026 10:36

sleepwouldbenice · 09/02/2026 00:51

Attacking them? With whistles?
Because that car was not used as a weapon, and that gun wasn't legal and not used

Dont want to derail on that specific incident so wont engage on it directly.

But the problem is if you are stopped by ICE or other law enforcment you need to allow the detention/arrest to happen.

Authoritarians are attracted to positions of authority such as police and some just cant manage to cope with a questioning "suspect". There are US "Police Auditors" who make a good living by being detained/arrested and $$ settling lawsuits.

The OP would not talk herself out of an arrest and is much safer to allow the officer to do whatever they decide is going to happen.

Wonderbug81 · 09/02/2026 10:36

Tryingtokeepgoing · 09/02/2026 10:22

For me this is a simple assessment of risk/likelihood and consequences.

Having lived and work in the US I would say that the likelihood of something going wrong is pretty low. But that the risk increases if you’re not white, not middle class and not middle aged. The risk further increases if you are well travelled and have stamps in your passport form places the US doesn’t like.

On the consequences front, for a US citizen the consequences of a wrongful arrest or denied entry, while inconvenient, are short lived. For a non US citizen who is not protected by most of the rights set out in the US constitution the consequences of being stopped / pulled off the streets or denied entry are potentially a lot more serious. If you’re not white then they could be live changing.

So I’d make my assessment on whether to travel based on where I sat on that risk curve. Because I can control that, but I can’t control the consequences if the worst happens. If you are deemed as in the country illegally for whatever reasons you have almost no rights. I wouldn’t let the fact that it was a work or vacation trip make any difference;

if anything the risk going on a business trip is higher because you only need one agent to mis-interpret the reason for your trip as carrying out actual work rather than attending a meeting or conference to be in a whole world of visa pain. An ESTA wouldn’t cover you for actual work, but would a meeting or conference. Again, the risk is multiplied if you have any if the other factors mentioned above.

Those are my thought, as a recently retired professional who did for a while hold a green card and who has lived / worked in many countries over my working life. I know some EU countries do advise extra care when travelling to the US, so any reasonable employer should recognise if any of its staff are at higher risk.

This is such a well considered response. Thank you.

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Tryingtokeepgoing · 09/02/2026 10:22

For me this is a simple assessment of risk/likelihood and consequences.

Having lived and work in the US I would say that the likelihood of something going wrong is pretty low. But that the risk increases if you’re not white, not middle class and not middle aged. The risk further increases if you are well travelled and have stamps in your passport form places the US doesn’t like.

On the consequences front, for a US citizen the consequences of a wrongful arrest or denied entry, while inconvenient, are short lived. For a non US citizen who is not protected by most of the rights set out in the US constitution the consequences of being stopped / pulled off the streets or denied entry are potentially a lot more serious. If you’re not white then they could be live changing.

So I’d make my assessment on whether to travel based on where I sat on that risk curve. Because I can control that, but I can’t control the consequences if the worst happens. If you are deemed as in the country illegally for whatever reasons you have almost no rights. I wouldn’t let the fact that it was a work or vacation trip make any difference;

if anything the risk going on a business trip is higher because you only need one agent to mis-interpret the reason for your trip as carrying out actual work rather than attending a meeting or conference to be in a whole world of visa pain. An ESTA wouldn’t cover you for actual work, but would a meeting or conference. Again, the risk is multiplied if you have any if the other factors mentioned above.

Those are my thought, as a recently retired professional who did for a while hold a green card and who has lived / worked in many countries over my working life. I know some EU countries do advise extra care when travelling to the US, so any reasonable employer should recognise if any of its staff are at higher risk.

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 09/02/2026 06:47

I think the media we are consuming is fed to us to create fear and panic, so no I wouldn’t let it change my plans.

sleepwouldbenice · 09/02/2026 00:51

Ilovelifeverymuch · 06/02/2026 23:35

No, I believe in the right to protest but what many of those professional protestors are doing is NOT protesting. Attacking, driving your car, blocking agents, throwing objects at them, spitting at them etc is NOT protesting.

I live in Chicago and I am black FYI before anyone comes at with accusations of white privilege and I totally agree with what the head of the Chicago Police department said here: https://www.instagram.com/reel/DPgj87skRhT/?igsh=ajRrd2FraW9yNW5l

You can protest but attacking federal agents doing their job because you don't agree with the policy is absolutely wrong and it endangers the so called protesters, the agents but also the people they are trying to support.

And this mess is made worse by Democrat cities declaring themselves sanctuary cities then implementing policies that try to frustrate federal immigration enforcement all for their political gains. There's a reason Democrat cities who deare themselves sanctuary cities make it illegal to require ID to vote.

That's like Sadiq Khan declaring that London will not abide by Home Office immigration laws and then intentionally make moves to frustrate enforcement.

Here is another person saying the exact same thing, attacking federal agents is NOT protesting.

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1FCDhkLp13/

Attacking them? With whistles?
Because that car was not used as a weapon, and that gun wasn't legal and not used

HeisseWeisseSchokolade · 08/02/2026 23:37

Ocelotfeet27 · 08/02/2026 19:34

My friend (white, but with big beard) was grilled for 6h a few weeks ago due to having some Arabic stamps in his passport (has previously been to Dubai and Oman). He said it was a really intimidating experience where he honestly thought he would end up being arrested for having visited two places in the middle east and having a beard. Others I know with professional knowledge have told us to avoid going there unless necessary. Such a worry.

I've travelled to the States with a Saudi visa in my passport. Previously, I went with multiple UAE, Saudi, Omani, Qatari and Kuwaiti visas and entry stamps. Didn't prompt any questions at the port of entry.

AnSolas · 08/02/2026 22:00

JennyWren5 · 08/02/2026 21:27

You haven’t answered my question. I’ve been asking what makes you think London public transport isn’t safe, given millions of people use it daily and it had one very serious incident - only affecting some of it - in 200+ years of service?

I think London transport use would certainly pass a company risk assessment - don’t you?

Or would you rather company money paid for private taxis for your workers because you don’t think London transport is safe?

So you have worked out that tfl is likely to be safe. Yet is still has risks terror attacts police actions crime events including hate crimes.

The OP makes the same decisions every day when going into the office.

What the OP cant work out is how safe the travel location will be the OP needs more data.

JennyWren5 · 08/02/2026 21:27

AnSolas · 08/02/2026 21:07

Ok ....

your job is to risk assess the UK and London as a work zone into which you are sending a work visitor to.

You need to
• document them for border control
• land them
• house them
• feed them
• transport them to/from the work place and
• work out if the employee should be allowed out and about during the downtime

How do you work out how safe the work zone is?
Are you going to benchmark that work zone against another work zone?

Now pick a major US city in "the South" and work out if the risks are the same.

You haven’t answered my question. I’ve been asking what makes you think London public transport isn’t safe, given millions of people use it daily and it had one very serious incident - only affecting some of it - in 200+ years of service?

I think London transport use would certainly pass a company risk assessment - don’t you?

Or would you rather company money paid for private taxis for your workers because you don’t think London transport is safe?

HeisseWeisseSchokolade · 08/02/2026 21:12

If you refuse to go, you will be undermining your standing within the company. That said, there are I'm sure lots of other keen candidates for that next promotion.

AnSolas · 08/02/2026 21:07

JennyWren5 · 08/02/2026 20:00

What is the problem with people being back on the buses next day? What exactly is your point?

Ok ....

your job is to risk assess the UK and London as a work zone into which you are sending a work visitor to.

You need to
• document them for border control
• land them
• house them
• feed them
• transport them to/from the work place and
• work out if the employee should be allowed out and about during the downtime

How do you work out how safe the work zone is?
Are you going to benchmark that work zone against another work zone?

Now pick a major US city in "the South" and work out if the risks are the same.

Liminal1975 · 08/02/2026 20:17

Greengagesnfennel · 07/02/2026 00:26

Honestly, don’t believe the internet. Go there and see for yourself. The population and nation is not trump. The USA has been the place where minorities, race, gender, everything, can rise the to the highest roles (compared with elsewhere) for years and still is. I’m not American but I have worked there and they are not wrong it is the land of the free (comparatively - still work to do). If you think the uk and Europe are better you are wrong. They hide their racism behind politeness but it is way stronger. Trump is an aberration. I hope they get rid of him soon.

What does "land of the free" mean?

JennyWren5 · 08/02/2026 20:00

AnSolas · 07/02/2026 18:24

Exactly my point.

What is the problem with people being back on the buses next day? What exactly is your point?

Ocelotfeet27 · 08/02/2026 19:34

My friend (white, but with big beard) was grilled for 6h a few weeks ago due to having some Arabic stamps in his passport (has previously been to Dubai and Oman). He said it was a really intimidating experience where he honestly thought he would end up being arrested for having visited two places in the middle east and having a beard. Others I know with professional knowledge have told us to avoid going there unless necessary. Such a worry.

PithyViewer · 08/02/2026 19:33

Sausagescanfly · 08/02/2026 19:23

If they can't tell a mobile phone from a gun, I'm not sure I'd want to rely on their ability to make judgements.

Oh well, all I can say is that I was walking around there recently, and I'm still in one piece!