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Work trip to USA

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Wonderbug81 · 06/02/2026 07:54

I'm in a senior role and there's talk of a work trip to US this year. For context I've been to the US multiple times and even lived in NYC for a year a long time ago.

However I'm British Asian and I don't want to go - it's a very different place to the one I lived in.

At the moment it's not a firmed up plan but we'll be going to number of places (not just the more left wing cities) and I want to be ready to discuss it when the time comes.

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Wonderbug81 · 11/02/2026 08:21

So bemused by people telling me not to respond to replies on a post I started. If you don't like the fact that people are still discussing it, there's an Unwatch button on my first post. There's also a Hide option if you see it under Active topics.

It's also turned into a classic Mumsnet chat where if someone disagrees with you, the tone turns dismissive and/or the ridicule starts.

Just because you haven't seen an ICE agent, issues at immigration, racism etc doesn't mean they don't happen or that someone from a certain background won't feel worried about going somewhere. I posted reputable new sources about the rise in hate crime. I wanted to get opinions from people who have been there or live there as to how worried I should be.

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Ilovelifeverymuch · 11/02/2026 02:48

Wonderbug81 · 10/02/2026 15:57

Yet give it an hour or two and there will be someone along to say it's all hysteria and hyperbole.

There's more to the case, he's been in the US for 20 years, stayed illegally to start with and seems or have been trying to regulate his status but failed and got arrested by ICE but somehow that means you will be arrested from your meetings while on ESTA.

Give it rest, tell your boss you're not going and stop this spiralling on mumsnet.

And FYI ICE did not arrest him randomly on the street like you think, majority of ICE arrests are targeted or people already attending sessions at ICE offices etc.

I live in Chicago and I haven't even seen ICE once so cut this narrative that ICE US going to kidnap you or people in the south will attack you because you don't like Trump. What bullshit, are you planning to go and start political debates with people when you trav to the US for work???? People in the south are actually one of the nicest people in the US.

Once again please make the decision not to come and move on but you seem to thrive on people telling you to be scared 😂

britinnyc · 11/02/2026 00:18

What southern state are you going to? Even among southern states there are vast difference when it comes to diversity, Texas while it has a horrible governor is very diverse with a huge percentage of non- white Texans. Same for Georgia (at least Atlanta area). Mississippi and Alabama not so much. Any large city or university town will be fine though for a POC. Are there hateful people everywhere, yes. Are they the majority? Absolutely not.

Enrichetta · 10/02/2026 23:58

ESTA is not a visa. It is proof of eligibility to enter as a visitor, either for tourism or legitimate business purposes (not work work…).

It doesn’t guarantee entry and the visitor still has to satisfy the immigration official that they will not engage in activities that are not covered by the visa waiver, and that they will leave within 90 days.

Tryingtokeepgoing · 10/02/2026 23:43

PithyViewer · 10/02/2026 23:13

And we always did the opposite, for the simple reason that if they think you're working over there, they will have a big problem with that. No kind of work is allowed on an ESTA visa. It's a tourist visa. Unless you were on a different kind of visa that did allow work? As for lying to immigration, you have a hotel booked and a flight back booked in a few days. They have no way of knowing you're visiting a company office instead of the tourist sights.

I'm surprised that admitting you're working over there, while entering on a visa that forbids work, has worked out so well for you. So far, anyway.

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I think you’ve misunderstood. An ESTA is not a visa at all - it’s simply a pre-authorisation for visitors for certain countries that are part of the US’s Visa Waiver Programme to enter the country for tourism or business purposes. You either need a ESTA or a visa to enter the US.

https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/us-visas/tourism-visit/visa-waiver-program.html#overview

I reckon I’ve been to the US for work 50 or 60 times since the ESTA was introduced (2007? 2008?) and after I handed back my green card, and I’ve always been honest about the purpose of my trip.

But perhaps I was just lucky 🤣

Visa Waiver Program

https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/us-visas/tourism-visit/visa-waiver-program.html#overview

PithyViewer · 10/02/2026 23:13

Tryingtokeepgoing · 10/02/2026 19:48

Yes, because misleading immigration is never going to go wrong is it! It’s perfectly fine to enter on an ESTA and say you are going to meetings, conferences or even customer visits. I’ve done it countless times since leaving the US and handing back my green card. In the current climate the last thing I’d be doing is lying to US immigration however…

And we always did the opposite, for the simple reason that if they think you're working over there, they will have a big problem with that. No kind of work is allowed on an ESTA visa. It's a tourist visa. Unless you were on a different kind of visa that did allow work? As for lying to immigration, you have a hotel booked and a flight back booked in a few days. They have no way of knowing you're visiting a company office instead of the tourist sights.

I'm surprised that admitting you're working over there, while entering on a visa that forbids work, has worked out so well for you. So far, anyway.

Swiftie1878 · 10/02/2026 21:31

Swiftie1878 · 10/02/2026 17:52

So, have you decided whether or not to go, OP?

I’m re-asking, as I’m interested in, but feel the thread has gone on long enough now!

NorthernStar96 · 10/02/2026 20:39

@Wonderbug81- reading this thread tonight and it's crystal clear that you don't want to go on this work trip. So just tell your employer you don't want to go. End of.

Plenty of people in companies I've worked for say no to business trips - I've done it myself for India recently. Unless you're in a sales position or a role where regular international travel is in the job description, I doubt it's going to be detrimental to your career.

No need to prolong this thread trying to convince people with a different opinion that they're wrong

Wonderbug81 · 10/02/2026 20:01

Gloriia · 10/02/2026 17:40

'Why would it be more reassuring? '

Because you've said this "I'll be a brown foreigner travelling to southern states" suggesting you think skin colour is the issue not incorrect documentation.

Have you mentioned zoom or similar to your boss instead?

Well firstly, the conversation has moved on since I first posted. The case being discussed was first reported yesterday and as I've pointed out suggests possible overzealous treatment by the authorities of any foreigner (let alone numerous cases against people of colour). So yes I'm concerned as a foreigner and a POC.

As I've also said numerous times in my posts here I am not just worried about ICE, I'm worried about the broader hostility towards people me in a Trump voting state. When I travel somewhere with work or pleasure I don't want to be feel unsafe.

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DdraigGoch · 10/02/2026 19:52

PithyViewer · 10/02/2026 18:32

Yes, there is potentially a route to "forgiveness" if you marry a US citizen. Unfortunately his past actions will have placed him on a list, and although he eventually did the right thing and filed the paperwork to become legal, I'm guessing that USCIS and ICE weren't exactly communicating with each other. Also, it seems he was in the country for at least 15 years illegally before filing paperwork. He may not have been paying taxes during that time. Maybe that gap/taxes is why he's in jail. He did FAFO with immigration.

Visa overstaying has always been a serious offence. If you do that, you're not usually ever allowed back in, and you have always been vulnerable to arrest and deportation if you're in the US illegally. As you said, you can potentially right that "wrong" by marrying a US citizen, but it's far from ideal, and the overstay remains on your record as a criminal offence even if you become legal. And you might get a permit, but when it comes to getting citizenship later, it will count against you. Most people who marry a US citizen await their visa in their own country, because US immigration has never been something you want to mess around with.

I totally agree that this man's incarceration is wrong. I wasn't debating that, I was saying that OP's situation is totally different from his and she has nothing to worry about as a Brit on an ESTA.

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Didn't Elon Musk overstay a visa once? If they could deport him it would do everyone a favour.

Tryingtokeepgoing · 10/02/2026 19:48

PithyViewer · 10/02/2026 17:02

I've been to the US for work and you never, ever say that you're there for work. You just enter on an ESTA and tick the vacation/pleasure box on the entry form.

Yes, because misleading immigration is never going to go wrong is it! It’s perfectly fine to enter on an ESTA and say you are going to meetings, conferences or even customer visits. I’ve done it countless times since leaving the US and handing back my green card. In the current climate the last thing I’d be doing is lying to US immigration however…

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 10/02/2026 19:26

PithyViewer · 10/02/2026 17:16

But why? Your legal status would be beyond question, as you'd be on an ESTA visa and therefore in the country totally legally. Why would you even be on ICE's radar?? They'd never have heard of you! They're looking for people who they have records of being in the country illegally and/or committing crimes while there illegally. Also, the arrests may be in the news, but I can assure you, ICE is not on every street corner!!!

I wouldn't want to go to the US under the current regime for a whole range of reasons. Apart from anything else, they're executing their own citizens in the streets and civil unrest could errupt at any time.

But re ICE, do you really believe that they're only arresting illegal immigrants? Have you not been following what's happening, or are you in denial?

PithyViewer · 10/02/2026 18:32

Enrichetta · 10/02/2026 18:23

… broke the law by overstaying a visa, which has always been taken as a very serious offence in America,

This is incorrect in this case as overstaying is routinely forgiven if the alien marries a US citizen and files the correct paperwork to adjust status. Which this man did. As a result he got a work permit and was in the country legally, pending his interview for his permanent residency.

Yes, he should have addressed his status much sooner, but he is not a criminal and his incarceration is completely unjustified.

Yes, there is potentially a route to "forgiveness" if you marry a US citizen. Unfortunately his past actions will have placed him on a list, and although he eventually did the right thing and filed the paperwork to become legal, I'm guessing that USCIS and ICE weren't exactly communicating with each other. Also, it seems he was in the country for at least 15 years illegally before filing paperwork. He may not have been paying taxes during that time. Maybe that gap/taxes is why he's in jail. He did FAFO with immigration.

Visa overstaying has always been a serious offence. If you do that, you're not usually ever allowed back in, and you have always been vulnerable to arrest and deportation if you're in the US illegally. As you said, you can potentially right that "wrong" by marrying a US citizen, but it's far from ideal, and the overstay remains on your record as a criminal offence even if you become legal. And you might get a permit, but when it comes to getting citizenship later, it will count against you. Most people who marry a US citizen await their visa in their own country, because US immigration has never been something you want to mess around with.

I totally agree that this man's incarceration is wrong. I wasn't debating that, I was saying that OP's situation is totally different from his and she has nothing to worry about as a Brit on an ESTA.

Enrichetta · 10/02/2026 18:23

… broke the law by overstaying a visa, which has always been taken as a very serious offence in America,

This is incorrect in this case as overstaying is routinely forgiven if the alien marries a US citizen and files the correct paperwork to adjust status. Which this man did. As a result he got a work permit and was in the country legally, pending his interview for his permanent residency.

Yes, he should have addressed his status much sooner, but he is not a criminal and his incarceration is completely unjustified.

cardibach · 10/02/2026 17:58

AnSolas · 09/02/2026 10:36

Dont want to derail on that specific incident so wont engage on it directly.

But the problem is if you are stopped by ICE or other law enforcment you need to allow the detention/arrest to happen.

Authoritarians are attracted to positions of authority such as police and some just cant manage to cope with a questioning "suspect". There are US "Police Auditors" who make a good living by being detained/arrested and $$ settling lawsuits.

The OP would not talk herself out of an arrest and is much safer to allow the officer to do whatever they decide is going to happen.

Safer at the point of arrest. But then getting back out of detention is difficult and doesn’t seem to follow any logic. 5 year old twins have been kept in detention because they (not their caregivers) don't have sufficient assets not to be a flight risk. It’s insane.

cardibach · 10/02/2026 17:54

JennyWren5 · 08/02/2026 21:27

You haven’t answered my question. I’ve been asking what makes you think London public transport isn’t safe, given millions of people use it daily and it had one very serious incident - only affecting some of it - in 200+ years of service?

I think London transport use would certainly pass a company risk assessment - don’t you?

Or would you rather company money paid for private taxis for your workers because you don’t think London transport is safe?

It’s not even whether it’s safe (yes), but that @AnSolas Said it wasn’t safe ‘anymore’. Why the ‘anymore?

Swiftie1878 · 10/02/2026 17:52

So, have you decided whether or not to go, OP?

cardibach · 10/02/2026 17:51

AnSolas · 08/02/2026 13:42

Keep reading

You keep saying this, and yet you’ve said nothing that explains your ‘point’.

AnSolas · 10/02/2026 17:50

cardibach · 10/02/2026 17:47

No. It’s clear from how you put it in that post and your unconvincing ‘explanations’ that it wasn’t subtle or context related at all.

Thank you for posting feedback👍

cardibach · 10/02/2026 17:47

AnSolas · 08/02/2026 09:41

Keep reading

Sorry OP 🤣 my context may have been a little too subtle 🤷‍♀️

No. It’s clear from how you put it in that post and your unconvincing ‘explanations’ that it wasn’t subtle or context related at all.

Gloriia · 10/02/2026 17:40

Wonderbug81 · 10/02/2026 17:10

Have you read the article?

Why would it be more reassuring? It says the authorities treat all kinds of foreigners without fair and due process. Couple that with increases in hate crimes and other discrimination against minorities and it's all worse than initially thought.

'Why would it be more reassuring? '

Because you've said this "I'll be a brown foreigner travelling to southern states" suggesting you think skin colour is the issue not incorrect documentation.

Have you mentioned zoom or similar to your boss instead?

ParmaVioletTea · 10/02/2026 17:32

OhDear111 · 06/02/2026 10:02

@Wonderbug81 I think you are over thinking this. I assume you are just a standard British person? Are you going with colleagues? I would say your colleagues in the USA will be lovely, so what’s the issue? Do you think they won’t let you in? Be rude or racist to you? What evidence do you have to suggest there are difficulties with you going? Or do you just not like Trump? That’s political and not work related. How would refusing to go look at work?

Have you been hearing what's happening to anyone who's not white? Even US citizens are being pulled over by ICE.

Probablyshouldntsay · 10/02/2026 17:28

So just to be clear, they are fully legally allowed to take your phone from you, and go through it to check for any political statement. That includes chats with your families, Facebook posts you’ve liked, reposts etc etc

Probablyshouldntsay · 10/02/2026 17:26

@Wonderbug81 i realise it doesn’t seem much written down, but for example he asked ‘how much cash do you have’ I replied ‘x dollars in cash and I have y dollars in my debit account’. And he replied ‘why are you evading my questions? What did I ask you? What did I ask you?’ And when I explained I wanted to be clear I had more cash available than the paper money, he got irate and accused me of trying to avoid questioning.

He asked for my phone (he is legally allowed to) I offered it out to him and he started up again ‘do you THINK I want to go through your phone?! You know I can! Do you think I want to?’
It was on and on like that, just hatred pouring off him

cardibach · 10/02/2026 17:26

AnSolas · 06/02/2026 22:19

If you risk assess

The trains and buses of major cities were used as targets by terrorist eg Japan Spain and the UK.

HGV etc are used in open public spaces.

If the OP is worried about a trip to the US the company should be doing a proper risk assessment.

Its 4 years out from a failed revolution and has not recovered from the political unrest. Then there is the change in policing and any political unrest should be assessed in conjunction with its local staff.

I’ve seen someone else asked and this was your reply. Not buying it. You said ‘any more’ which suggests change. Terrorism has been a risk in cities for ever.