Why should Starmer resign? I don’t get it

Because they knew Mandelson would slime round Trump better - it’s his talent at toadying up to the rich and unpleasant. So they held their nose, pretended not to see the obvious and appointed him anyway. And the rest is probably the worst political scandal of the century…

Bingo.

He could have told you fuck all about actual abuse, he could tell you plenty about the imaginary carry on of the globalists which he used Epstein as a vehicle to project his fantasised satanic rituals on to his imagined enemies.

He's fucking scum and so is anyone who cites him as a source

Really?

Mandelson knows people in JD Vance’s circle as well as Trump’s. I can absolutely see why he was appointed. It was an attempt to manage what was always going to be a very tricky relationship under Trump.

It was a judgement call. A risk was taken and now that so much more has come out, it’s not worked out. But it’s pretty clear why he was appointed.

Agree with you OP.

Look at when the conservative MP broke the Commons code of conduct and BJ's response was: let's get rid of the rules then.

Just trying to score political pot shots. Mandelson is a sleaze, he's been sacked and investigated. Rightly so.

I am not a labour voter, I am in Scotland. But I do like how some things have been handled recently by Westminster. This should not disrupt that.

It’s a question of judgment. Remember this was Mandelson’s third comeback so it was hardly a surprise. It’s the fact a chance was taken on Mandelson when strong suspicions were had that there was more to come out about the friendship. Proper intelligence level due diligence wasn’t done, they rushed him into post anyway. Total misjudgment.

As things stand, I agree with you, but I think it will depend on what we learn about the vetting process - how much KS actually knew and whether or not he ignored warnings against the appointment.

There's a lot of noise right now, but we don't yet know the full facts. Personally, I'm reserving judgment until we do, but there are lots of people who want KS gone for other reasons who will just use this whole mess as a pretext.

Starmer was told about Mandelson in detail by the Secret Services. It is their job to know these things. Usually they get it right.
Starmer then sacked a perfectly good and capable experienced Diplomat who had been in Washington and New York at the United Nations for years. Dame Karen Pierce was well respected and well connected. She also had a tough gig in Afghanistan.
But not liking women much Starmer installed his mate.

@Topseyt123 "Trump too is connected to the Epstein case. Why is his relationship with Epstein not more often examined in the media, alongside Andrew Mountbatten Windsor and Peter Mandelson?"

I expect Trump had the intelligence not to put anything in writing that could incriminate himself, ever.

Starmer's whole manifesto is build on the fact that Labour would be different, transparent, not like the sleazy Conservative Party who were full of MPs with no moral compass.

He promotes himself as a man of integrity who will always put the country first.

He already had a very competent US ambassador who Trump respected and instead he ignored information and red flags from our security services about Mandy and appointed him anyway.

Starmer knew Mandleson lies down with dogs and is covered with fleas but went ahead with giving him such a prominent position - our sleaze to deal with the US sleaze.

I think the real question is why Peter Mandleson was so powerful. Why is he calling the shots in this country and is reappointed when continuously sacked?

I don't understand why anyone thinks he should stay? He should have resigned by now. Whether it is a very poor lack of judgement on Starmers part, or that he knew what Mandy was all about and chose to ignore it, either way he is not fit to be PM.

This is just same sh!t different party. Their own dramas and internal bullshit taking precedence over the issues we have going on in the country. None of them are fit to run this country. I despair.

Am I right in thinking you’re referencing the
person who claimed that the school shooting did not happen and that bereaved parents were actors?

That person?

Plenty of governing going on: Warm Homes Plan, renter's rights, getting rid of two child cap, Covid Corruption Commission, I could go on. Won't be found in the pages of newspapers of course, but only bad news and gossip counts.

Yes, it’s this. Why choose someone so dodgy? It points to being devoid of scruples ie hes dodgy, himself.

Of course they would have bloody known!!

It seems like being in government these days is more about fighting scandals than actually governing.

Maybe we should be thankful. Just imagine the damage they might do if they actually had time to govern the country.

I agree with you, OP.

Mandelson is clearly a liar and should never have been appointed, that was an error of judgement but not a resignation offence to my mind.

Trump too is connected to the Epstein case. Why is his relationship with Epstein not more often examined in the media, alongside Andrew Mountbatten Windsor and Peter Mandelson? I can only think that it is because he is the US President, is as corrupt as fuck and is in overall control of what is released or redacted.

If I were to choose who I wished to see resign or be booted out of office I would rather it was Trump, not Starmer.

People have got addicted to the drama, and the turnover. Prior to this gov, we had 5 Tory PM's in less than10 years, with endless gossip, crimial cases etc, which destabilised us further after Brexit. Someone is benefitiing from whipping up more destabilisation - Reform Ltd and Mr Putin, and Trump.

The public gets what the public wants.

At the moment no one really knows how much he knew and when.

I don't think a lot of people in power realised how much the whole Epstein thing would blow up.

So the most optimistic way of putting it would be that he took a gamble at a time when he knew incomplete information, but had some indication it might be a bad idea. And now a whole lot more has come to light.

Is it his fault ? Well maybe for taking the gamble in the first place. It also might be looked on as a harsh outcome. But he knows the rules and has to play by them whether they are fair or not.

He spent enough time putting the boot into Johnson. If it had been someone on the other side in this position he would be clamoring for their resignation in the same way that everyone is now clamoring for his.

Poor you, harder to be a victim.

Op his judgement was terrible in appointing Mandelson.

I think Starmer put Mandelson in that job because he thought M would be able to handle Trump. Clearly they moved in similar circles for a while. That isn’t to say T or M were innocent or guilty of any or all allegations, but the Venn diagram of Trump, Mandelson and Epstein does appear to have some significant overlap.

I think they want him to go and this is their opportunity. Quite honestly given his poll ratings I can see why they’d try to take advantage of the situation.

I don’t think Starmer is a bad person and feel quite sorry for him really, but something about the current leadership isn’t working and needs to change.

It's going to depend how much he knew. People seem to be assuming Starmer knew everything, but it's likely he didn't - I don't think anyone could have, or it would have been flagged as a huge security risk. He most likely just knew Mandleson and Epstein were friends, and that gave Mandleson power and an edge with people like Trump. And people knew Epstein was grubby, dodgy as fuck, but not the depths of the depravity. There may have been rumours, but there has only been hard evidence for a very short time.

Mandleson sending Epstein government information during Brown's government is way beyond anything anyone suspected - I get the impression everyone in politics is genuinely shocked.