Why should Starmer resign? I don’t get it

Well put

That's the thing.

Given the fact that conspiracy therories are absolutely mainstream and the 1st thing that many people say when any high-profile person is accused of CSA or just SA is 'hmm, those people claiming to be victims are probably wanting money of their 5 minutes of fame or there's a conspiracy against them because they do X or Y so the authorities want to take them down'..

Even if you absolutely believed that your friend or even just a colleague or associate had been wrongly accused and convicted, if you're a public figure, surely you have to say 'sorry dude, I just can't be friends with you anymore because of my position'.

But the people that continued to be friends with him who were public figures either were doing similar things to him, or were so motivated by the financial and power benefits that came from associating with him, that they were willing to continue crawling up his arse assuming they'd never be found out.

I'm not sure yet it's a resigning matter.

If he knew more sooner and it comes out that could rapidly change.

If Starmer was in a stronger poistion with fewer concerns about his judgement overall this could brushed away much more easily.

Mandelson twice before this lost high profile jobs due to poor judgement so was very surprised he picked by Starmer but I am surprisied how bad Mandelson seems to have fucked up this time.

Isn’t Starmer the most unpopular prime minister ever? Maybe I’m wrong about that, but he certainly generally disliked for many valid reasons that many people on Mumsnet seem to have no idea about, maybe do some reading around the subject if that’s you, but honestly, it would be good to have someone who wasn’t such a catastrophic shit show when we go into the next general election, unless everyone is happy for reform to just waltz in.
he removed a perfectly competent woman to give mandleson the role, despite Mandelson, having lost previous roles in disgrace and having pursued a relationship with Epstein post conviction which was known about. Starmer is a terrible politician without a moral compass, I guess that’s a good reason for him to fuck off finally?

@FlyBy2026 I completely agree.

I agree OP.

They thought they ought to fight sleaze with sleaze in appointing Mandelson to stick his tongue up Trump's backside. The trouble with sleaze is...it's sleazy.

There were other higher calibre diplomats who could have done that job, with more decorum, grace and principles.

if you lie down with dogs, you get fleas. Starmer's judgement is appalling. There were people from within Labour whose voices should have been heeded who were literally pleading with him not to make that appointment. Mandelson wasn't fit to be in government back in 1996. He's been grubbing around the corridors of power for 30 years. I'd be looking in detail at all those Palantir contracts for the NHS data next. He was advising them, ffs. Leopards don't change their spots.

That Peter Mandelson is about to bring down neo liberal New Labour is deliciously ironic.

More right wing propaganda

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/feb/04/labour-forced-into-humble-pie-address-over-mandelson-disclosures

Yes he's an eccentric clown. But it's astonishing how many things he's been right about. Do you ever reflect on who benefits from sneering at and maligning figures like Jones?

No I don’t think he should resign either.

The Mandelson information is horrible, to be clear, and I find it extraordinary that such an obvious security risk ever got back on the slate after the first time he proved himself extremely susceptible to sucking up to and ‘solving problems’ for billionaires. That was a very long time ago.

Badenoch has undoubtedly moved to the right, but I would like to believe that there are still some more moderate Tories that would help to balance things out a bit. Perhaps that's wishful thinking.

Don't you think it's important that everything sees daylight though? This scandal has very long tentacles and all the abusers and enablers involved need to be exposed again and again.

Tbh you can't put a fag paper between either party, Badenoch has hauled the Tories as far right as Reform, maybe even further....

& if Starmer either doesn't resign or starts to show some leadership, he will ensure we have a far right Govt in 5 years time.

i know some will say "They aren't Far Right" well, look up AfD or RN's policies (both considered Far Right) compare to Tory/Reform, then come back and say that...

It seems you have an even lower opinion of the left than I do if you think this is just a right wing concern. Of course it isn't though, the front page of the Guardian would show you that.

Lack of judgment / ability to be swayed by others (McSweeney in particular) means every other decision he makes will be picked on by the opposition(s) - death by a thousand cuts in the John Major style (for those of us old enough!). Add that to the already circling vultures called Rayner and Streeting et al and there’s a perfect storm.

I agree. Trump is Teflon shouldered . Nothing he does wrong bloody sticks.

Unbelievable.

Have a read

https://archive.ph/iVNUB

Much as I would like to see Trump and co put on trial and imprisoned, the thoughts of a total fruitcake like Alex 'nutjob' Jones are simply laughable 🤣🤣🤣

I don't think so.

I think he's an absolute asshole who should be held to account if he was insider trading but having listened to Maxwells interviews and seen so many of these emails, I think it is routine in these circles for people who love money and power or just being next to it, that they accept and seek out 'perks' from the hugely wealthy people they know.

We see it with all of them in the current government and past. And celebrities with Diddy being a case in point. Accepting tickets, clothes, stays in penthouse flats, donations to their charities, invites to parties, holidays on private islands etc, etc.

It's just the way these people move through the world. I don't think it's an indication of being 'best friends'. It's just how their world works, they're all grifting and wanting more, and access to certain friends or associates and trading the same.

The sheer number of people Epstein and Maxwell were involved with is vast, they couldn't possibly have actual friendships with most of them as there literally wouldn't be the time. It was mostly transactional relationships with people they barely knew.

And a smaller number of people who were part of the sex trafficking, rape, exploitation and other crimes.

Well dont read about it then, its your decision.

Nobody cares that you're sick of it...

Sorry? It’s only right wingers who don’t like paedophiles?
Maybe you’re right. Starmer sure doesn’t seem bothered.

He’s impacted many negatively and that’s before you get to Epstein / Mandelson ties.

Because people don't like him. They expected their standard of living to improve and other magic wand stuff in the first month and when it didn't happen. It's off with his head.

I don't think the posters who keep banging on about Savile are very interested in facts.

There are plenty of legitimate criticisms that can be levelled at Starmer. I have no idea why his opponents seem to feel the need to make stuff up.

Starmer? it is just another example of how he lacks proper talent at leadership. Death by a thousand cuts and this is the last straw?