Why should Starmer resign? I don’t get it

Peter Mandelson should audition for the next Bond villain.

And I agree with you too . Thank you for replying

If anyone needs to resign it’s Trump.

This 100%. I think people regard politics these days as some sort of game show where you can just get rid of someone once you're tired of them. Real changes take time to implement but hey, that's boring. For what it's worth, I think Starmer is a good man but perhaps not charismatic enough for the current climate. I am terrified of the much parroted alternative - that utter and total shit Farage. I pray to any god that'll listen he never comes to power.

I mean yeah Johnson did much worse and lived to tell the tale

Well, not worse, but almost exactly the same - Chris Pincher. Which is why he had to resign…
Which is sort of the point and quite relevant right now. Wow, the uncomfortable reality that Johnson might, in the end, have had more integrity than Starmer, is quite frankly shocking.
Ok maybe integrity isn’t the right word, but you get the point.

What I also find funny was if JE hadn’t be murdered ( I mean hung himself ) then we would probably be none the wiser about the stuff that’s come out recently

JE is literally fucking everyone from his grave

i can’t really write what I think of KS as I would probably get banned.

but he’s a highly educated professional who apparently don’t know what a woman is
for that alone he’s a fake ass dickhead pandering to certain votes

or he is as thick as two short planks because there is only men & women and nothing in between
so if he truly believes that men can be woman then he shouldn’t be in a position of power because we all know it’s a load of bollocks - literally 😂

but I think he doesn’t give a shit about the uk
I think if he had his way the uk would be like china in terms of monitoring people and freedom

he is not a man to be trusted in that he says one thing then it changes to something else

I dislike him for attempting to bring in Digital ID sneakily as it was never in the manifesto amongst other things

Can’t wait for him to go although who would replace him I have no idea

Do you really think the Labour Party is ready for a woman leader ?

@anotherside what did Boris Johnson do? That was worse than this?

@working9 I hope you have the answer to your question now

Yes, but maybe he needs to read the room and be the change he promised after debacles such as partygate.

His own MPs couldn't support the amendment he wanted. That's not great 18 months after a GE with a large majority.

Which is an establishment mechanism for ensuring the public don’t get to see them .
( See ‘Partygate ‘ for example ).

This. Peter Mandelson has already resigned multiple times for financial irregularities and for being caught lying over the years

The whole political establishment knew PM was an inveterate liar, it's been going on since the 90s.

They knew he was financially unreliable, had inappropriate financial relationships and was a security risk. The security services confirmed this.

Plus he wasn't a professional diplomat so why did KS appoint him as Ambassador to the US? It was an astonishing failure of judgement.

I don't doubt that, and I'm in complete agreement with you. I was simply ridiculing a previous poster's citing of right-wing conspiracy theorist (and utter fruitcake) Alex Jones as some kind of evidence to be taken seriously.
I agree with you, but I think Alex Jones is a dangerous idiot.

I mean yeah Johnson did much worse and lived to tell the tale. Issue is though, why would Labour MPs want him to stay on?

He became leader as he was sold as articulate. Reality is he was decent on the opposition benches at PMQs but he’s an absolutely awful communicator as PM.

He was meant to bring Labour together. He didn’t, he booted loads of the left of the party out.

He was meant to be Mr Competent and good on details. Clearly not the case.

And he was meant to be sleaze free. That’s already highly questionable.

The electorate hate him - if Labour had any sense they’d get Burnham in, but they burnt that bridge a few days ago (which I saw described as like a dying man refusing an ambulance). Bring back Ed? Who knows.

I don’t believe in lizard overlords but I know that I , together with many other health professionals, good police & social workers , for over 30 years ,tried to get our institutions to investigate the trafficking of children in care to places like Elm Guest House to be ‘allegedly’ abused by senior establishment figures ( who were then ripe for blackmail ) .
There are thousands of us , without power , but with first hand experience of the victims , who understand how utterly corrupt the systems in which we place our faith are .

Oh yes! McSweeney should have gone yesterday. Trouble is, everyone is expecting McS to go to save Starmer. So Starmer sacking McS will just look like self preservation

Honestly, Starmers only real option is to resign, because he won't survive the May elections (the few that there are!)

Sometimes we simply have to say "I'm not very good at this job, but I'm bloody good at X job. Therefore I'll do X"

Trouble is the public are caught between a rock and a hard place . There are no mechanisms for ordinary people to learn the truth as all conventional news outlets will not expose this stuff . I’m not a conspiracy nut I’m a medical professional ,with first hand evidence who tried to whistle blow on Savile for over 30 years . To the BBC & the police .
Far from being a lone wolf who ‘groomed the nation ‘ Savile was a highly protected procurer ,
Anyone ‘who tries to expose elite paedophile rings is shut up or killed .
A prominent example - the v brave Stuart Syvret was once the Father of the House of the Jersey Senate. Because he wouldn’t be quiet about the organised CSA rings he discovered he went to prison twice on trumped up charges and now lives in a safe house in the States .

He makes poor decisions about the people around him. His Cab Sec, Chris Wormald, is widely reputed to be pretty ineffective yet Starmer wanted him for the job.

Morgan McSweeney was Peter Mandelson's protege and is thought to have been the key architect behind his ambassadorial appointment. McSweeney needs to go even if Starmer stays (until May).

Yes. Although I don't believe Starmer is a weak man. He's weak politically because he simply isn't political (which is utterly weird for a PM, but I believe it to be true)

He should get out and leave them to it. He just doesn't have what it takes for the job.

But I like him, as a human being, which is more than I'd say for most of them

Although whoever takes over the Leadership of the party simply can't have any connection to Peter Mandelson. Treason isn't good to cosy up to 🤡🙄

Imo that stops Wes from getting the job

Starmer wanted to release the papers only after number 10 checked what could and couldn't be released (for 'national security'). In the Commons debate afterwards, he clearly lost the confidence of his own backbenchers who did not agree with this and preferred Kemi Badenoch's suggestion that an independent committee should do this initial review.

Later on the police asked for papers not to be released.

There were publicly available photos of Mandelson hanging out with Epstein after he was first convicted of child rape. That was years ago, and it would have come up during his security checks that he was associating with somebody who committed sex crimes against children. Really poor judgment.

Agreed. I think he was seen as "safe", but weakness creates its own chaos.

No. I don't think Starmer is dodgy. I think he has a weak political nose because he's not a political animal

He trusted McSweeney's advice and Mc's advice was based on him being in thrall to Mandelson. Starmer should have understood this but he didn't.

Starmer isn't politically savvy enough to be PM. But he's not a bad man nor a dark evil man, like many in the game

Are people really so naive that they genuinely don’t realise that of course many of our elite politicians/ police / secret services knew about the extent of Epstein’s operations?

He procured young girls (and boys ) for the pleasure of depraved elite men who were then easy to control by whoever bought the blackmail evidence from Epstein . Epstein was made very wealthy and at the end almost certainly ‘disposed of ‘in prison .

In 1991 when I was a young hospital clinician very distressed because I had just treated a 10 year old girl (from an Islington care home )physically damaged by SA enacted by Savile and others my boss said ‘ Be kind to her whilst she’s here and forget her when she’s gone . You can do nothing to help her .Paedophile networks run this country ‘
I did try and played a v v small part in setting up the Parliamentary Enquiry into Elite paedophile rings 10 years ago .
The enquiry was very effectively neutered when public interest moved elsewhere after the initial shock of the Savile disclosures wore off .
I’m one of many ‘nobodies ‘ who understand how deeply depraved the world of the ‘ elites’ is and how this impacts the lives of regular people . We will never have the power to change it .

Ah well.

Soon Rayner will be back in power.
That bastion of ethics and propriety.

And the game goes on....