Moving problem schoolchildren to another school?

OP I get that you are angry but your judgement are informed and your solutions aren’t solutions.

I think you have no idea of the home lives for many student who are permanently excluded or on a managed move. Some parents are feckless, but the majority aren’t. And even for those who are, it isn’t the child’s fault. Writing off a child at 12 is not an acceptable way for society to behave imo.

I think they should just be expelled. An online alternative offered if no pupil referral units. (Oak Academy is probably easiest - they could provide physical workbooks of the worksheets). Is it ideal for an unmotivated student? No. But if they’ve done something to got themselves expelled tough luck really - just will have to hope a spot at a referral unit comes up or if they can convince a head to take them on/ they’ve changed etc.
I’m sure parents would take more responsibility in ensuring good behaviour if this was the alternative.

I think managed moves need to be much more carefully managed.

There needs to be far more PRU and the youth justice system needs more funding.

I sit on exclusion panels and generally there arent enough PRU places so the child will be offered a part time online place. Which isnt going to have the same transformative effect.

I see people who are given a mentor through the youth justice system and they get 1 session. One session isnt going to help.

They do often have sen but its late diagnosed and unsupported. Again much earlier intervention and access to sen school would help.

I do think that there is both correlation and causation going on. Pupils who are excluded are violent or persistentantly disruptive pupils so more likely to be violent again, but leaving them roaming the streets isnt going to change their direction and doing so might escalate their involvement in criminal activity.

"If the kids get expelled, it's the family's problem to deal with."

A family members child got permanently excluded (primary age) because of her disability. She is now at special school and doing well there. What happened in school didn't happen at home. It wasn't her family's fault.

This 100%

It’s actually likely causation but the op has it backwards. Kids don’t become violent because they’ve been expelled - they’re expelled because they are violent.

Oh, and we need sufficient special schools and PRUs for kids who genuinely cannot cope with mainstream. Which is also very expensive.

This could well be a correlation as opposed to a cause.

Dealing with these extreme cases is incredibly difficult and expensive. And Labour want to make it even harder by reducing our ability to suspend. If you want an actual solution to the problem of extreme behaviour in schools we need to massively increase funding for early intervention, social workers, youth workers and pastoral support in schools. But nobody wants to pay more tax.

YABU and simplistic.

The first reply explains quite a lot to you, but do you seriously think there is ANY chance of pupils who are expelled buckling down at home to be educated both academically and morally if they have got to their teens in such a way that they need to be expelled ?
You can't seriously think they will choose to put down their knives and become nice young men and positive contributors to society ?

'Society' - particularly since austerity kicked in in 2010 - made choices to cut all the preventative services. All the services that were doing work that is quite difficult to measure, as it prevents crime rather than reacting to it. Massively, the Youth Service. In my LA, by 2020, the Youth Service's budget sat at 5% of what it had been in 2010. Take a moment to consider that.
Then add on lack of funding in the probation service, the Youth Justice system, the mental health system, the wiping out of Sure Start and all the work that did with young families, and of course Social Care. Then think about the LA funding that used to help support charities such as HomeStart and 101 other charities that worked with young families and with teens.

'Society' needs to be prepared to return to paying more tax, if we want to support a flourishing society. Not just have a knee jerk reaction every time a baby dying gets reported in the press, or a teen being stabbed hits the press.

You mentioned taxpayers in previous messages. I suspect it’s far cheaper to have these kids at school than in jail.

if there had been 130 incidents at the previous school of the kid who killed HW, he should not have been moved to the new school and a young lad, with everything to live for, would still be alive if he had been dealt with properly. That kind of violence doesn't need 'managed move', it needs full intervention. A poor lad is dead. A lad is now in prison. Two lives ruined, and many more lives changed forever. 130 incidents is not the time for liberal hand wringing and 'one more chance' territory.

Parents and local authorities have a responsibility to ensure that children are educated, even when they are permanently excluded from school.

As a PP has said it's in all our interests that troubled teens get an education so they can contribute to society rather than be a drain.

Yes, bad behaviour very often is the parents fault but leaving this kids entirely to adults who also have problems is unlikely to go well.

Exactly this. As appealing as it is to remove kids with behavioural issues to protect other kids, the reality is that it results in their spending more time out on the streets. (Unless, as PP have said, they are murderers and are locked up).

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Kids with psychosis and schizophrenia aren’t a result of parenting,

there are lots of conditions that result in behaviour not appropriate at a mainstream school that are nothing to do with parenting.

I agree with you. Kick them out, lock them up, educate them in chokey for all I care. Decent people should not have to be around thugs like that.

There is a direct link between rates of pupils expelled and knife crime. If you start expelling kids from school, violent crime will increase as a direct consequence. The best way to address is through early intervention. Most of which has been stopped through austerity

What about the children who don't have parents? Who shall we blame then?

So what's your solution op? How would you support these troubled children to become valuable members of society?

If permanent suspension meant forbidden to go to any school then there would be an increase in pupils who would misbehave so that they can be PE too. What do you think these kids would do? Best case scenario stay home and game all day, worst case scenario start a life of crime out of boredom.