To think that the Justice system is completely f***ed?

OJ does keep coming to mind these days. It's very worrying. And so many people turning to vigilante "justice".

From my very brief stint as a juror 15 years ago, the minute the jury is told "there must be no doubt in your mind" it automatically makes everyone have some doubt in their mind and the defendant ends up found not guilty. Even worse when the judge will only accept a 100% vote one way or the other as there will always be someone who isn't 100% sure.

I admit I don't know enough about the legal system to know if this is common or not or if it would be the case in a high profile trial like this rather than the very low key trial that I was a juror on which should never have gone to court.

I’m amazed it was not a guilty outcome.

What does it mean then @FMLGFastMovingLuxuryGoods ? Honestly not very clued up on things like that!
I just can’t see how with all the evidence things have come to this conclusion.

I don’t think some members of the jury understand or care about the law. We are in severe trouble if certain causes allow violent criminals to escape justice if jury members sympathise with them.

I wonder why the trial was in Woolwich when the crime was in Bristol?

I don’t think that poster quite understands U.K. law.
Intent doesn’t mean “Meant to do it on” or “Did it on purpose” or “Did it not meaning to harm anyone”
Nor do we have felonies in the U.K.

But I suppose it’s futile trying to explain these things to people.

Yeah what intent?

I do ramraids with vans and attack people with sledgehammer by accident all the fucking time.

I work in the criminal justice system so yes I can confirm it’s utterly fucked in all areas, not just sentencing.

I work in the criminal justice system so yes I can confirm it’s utterly fucked in all areas, not just sentencing.

Ironic that these violent POS say Israel doesn’t have the right to defend itself…but they have the right to defend Palestinians (even though they’re in the South of England, and not even “stopping anything in its tracks”) through the medium of a sledgehammer to a woman’s spine. A woman just doing her job.

Me too.

The mask is slipping from the “Pro Palestine” movement. I mean TBH it’s been slipping since October 8th when many justified the rape of innocent young Jewish women and murder of Jewish babies, but I think even the most hardened leftie should now be struggling to justify the actions of these absolute scumbags, and anyone associated with them

It was sarcastic.

He did it. Was on camera seen hitting policewoman with sledgehammer. Everyone knows he did it, and she ended up with broken spine.

But, it was really not his fault, he was defending others. The cause is important so its ok to take direct action. He's autistic. He was sprayed. Etc. Lots of excuses, minimisation.

That's reassuring then. I have heard too many people's defending these actions I'm not sure what's real anymore

I think that post was sarcastic

How was it not his fault?

This is useful but I still don’t get how you can sledgehammer someone and not get a guilty outcome even with this route to verdict.

Even if one was at the trial, none of us will be privy to the discussions in the Jury Room.

Nobody is claiming it didn't happen. His defence was that he believed he was acting in defence of his fellow protesters. The jury did not reach a verdict. Perhaps they could not agree on whether he genuinely believed this or perhaps they could not agree on whether this was GBH, GBH with intent, or ABH. The jury would have had to agree on one of these for a guilty verdict.

My understanding is that he has not been released so a retrial is likely.

It was, but in the GBH charge (among others) they failed to reach a verdict, so it may go for a retrial.

Erm, I think the evidence we've seen is.pretty damning. Can't imagine how someone watching the footage of someone beating someone with a hammer is swayed to believe it didnt happen.

It's helpful to read through the 'route to verdict' document the jury were given:

https://realmedia.press/filton-case-route-to-verdict-1/

I don't like the verdict and especially don't like the lack of verdict on so many of the charges but reading through this, I can see how they ended up where they did.

Would be interesting to see who was representng the jury. I know that wont happen, but i think it would explain a lot.....

And Samuel Corner wasn’t acquitted of GBH, so he can be tried again. Some of the reporting and comment has been quite misleading on this.

I’m not sure it was (successful) jury nullification, or we would have seen not guilty across all charges.

Though there was an attempt to persuade jurors to nullify, via posters reminding them of that option.

I suspect a couple of jurors wanted to nullify (ie would have found not guilty regardless). They didn’t have the numbers, so ended up with no verdict.

So, retrial.

The police all need to take 2 steps back when asked to do anything related to those utter twats.