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To think that the Justice system is completely f***ed?

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Sausagenbacon · 04/02/2026 16:09

Six Palestine Action activists cleared of aggravated burglary over break-in at UK subsidiary of Israeli defence firm.
So you can now break into a factory using a van, and attack people with sledgehammers?
I just can't believe it.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9wxlv99xrjo

A screenshot of the police van seen on the Elbit Systems UK site. The van is a large white vehicle with small windows and a chevron pattern across the back. A figure wearing black with a white helmet can be seen in the lower right corner of the image h...

Palestine Action protesters not guilty of defence firm burglary

The group are cleared of aggravated burglary over a raid at an Elbit Systems warehouse.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9wxlv99xrjo

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whataguddle · 05/02/2026 11:20

I do not understand why the Palestinian protests are allowed to carry on .

We were in Leeds a few weeks back and a big protest about Kurds in Syria …why again it’s that going on!

Bottles were flying and it was very disturbing.

We shouldn’t have this here all the ME crowd making it feel unsafe in our city centres. Just no.

DdraigGoch · 05/02/2026 11:20

BillieWiper · 05/02/2026 10:48

It wasn't a burglary though. It was a protest. I'm sure if they assaulted someone or caused criminal damage then they could be done for that.

Edited

Have you not read anything about the case before commenting?

They attacked a police officer with a sledgehammer. One of them was therefore on trial for GBH with intent (among all of the other charges). The jury failed to come to a verdict - there were a lot of attempts to influence the jury from outside.

DifferentNameForQuestion · 05/02/2026 11:17

whataguddle · 05/02/2026 11:01

It is ludicrous it was all caught on video.
They planned to break in and do wilful damage the guy swung a sledgehammer at the police.
I despair they are as guilty as sin! Who the heck was on the jury.
They need to be locked up …people were jailed for tweets and this crew are being found not guilty!
What a shit show !
What punishment will they receive?

Tweet something awful and prison.

Smash into a factory with a van. Use sledgehammers to damage property. Use a sledgehammer and actually break a policewoman's spine. So far no prison sentences.

Two tier system. Palestine and Israel conflict which has ended isn't for us to sort, we can't anyway. Protesters might be better off going to Gaza to help out with rebuilding.

DifferentNameForQuestion · 05/02/2026 11:13

BillieWiper · 05/02/2026 10:48

It wasn't a burglary though. It was a protest. I'm sure if they assaulted someone or caused criminal damage then they could be done for that.

Edited

They did assault someone, a policewoman had her spine broken by a sledgehammer. So far not dealt with or perhaps that doesn't matter since they were protesting about Palestine.

whataguddle · 05/02/2026 11:01

It is ludicrous it was all caught on video.
They planned to break in and do wilful damage the guy swung a sledgehammer at the police.
I despair they are as guilty as sin! Who the heck was on the jury.
They need to be locked up …people were jailed for tweets and this crew are being found not guilty!
What a shit show !
What punishment will they receive?

dairydebris · 05/02/2026 11:00

Didnt some members of the group take whips to the incident? Surely that proves planning and intent to harm humans? Whips are not much use against physical property.

I cant get my head around this ( lack of ) verdict. I hope will be sorted at retrial.

HappyFace2025 · 05/02/2026 10:56

SirBasil · 04/02/2026 19:52

The police all need to take 2 steps back when asked to do anything related to those utter twats.

So let the twats get away with doing whatever they please? Seriously?

Goatymum · 05/02/2026 10:56

DifferentNameForQuestion · 04/02/2026 19:30

I agree.

A man was shown hitting a policewoman with a sledgehammer. Apparently, he has autism and the police sprayed him with something, so he couldn't help it then. 🙄

Who were on the jury? Grief, they deliberated for hours and hours.

Palestinian protesters cause MAYHEM in London, week in, week out. They also cause fear to Jewish people but Palestinian seems to be above all else. No other country and suffering matter. Iran? Sudan? Nope only Palestinians. There seems to be a cult of followers. Many people steer clear of the protesters now.

I’m Jewish and I avoid going in to central London in a Saturday. People are obsessed with Palestine. I don’t see marches supporting Ukraine anymore and Russia are still bombing, where’s the outcry re Iran and Sudan from the leftists?

This verdict just sums up all the fuckery.

HappyFace2025 · 05/02/2026 10:54

FMLGFastMovingLuxuryGoods · 04/02/2026 19:34

And contrary to what a PP said the prosecution don’t need to have evidence of an “agreement beforehand” to prove intent.

Let’s face it - this is HUGE jury bias, unbelievably obvious. anyone who blames the prosecution needs their head examining.

One could suppose that they are supporters of Palestine Action too.

HappyFace2025 · 05/02/2026 10:50

MouseyGrey · 04/02/2026 16:29

This has a lot to do with the ' defend our juries' group, whose mo is to spread the message that people can be found not guilty on moral/ethical, not legal, grounds. They plastered the area surrounding the court with this messaging. If I were to be cynical, I believe Labour's plans to reduce jury trials has been heavily influenced by these activists and their concern for the consequences on the legal system. Quite frightening really.

Very good point. The Defend Our Juries group are the people who have actively been demonstrating on behalf of Palestine Action.

RhannionKPSS · 05/02/2026 10:49

Mithral · 05/02/2026 09:35

How is Keir (please note spelling) responsible for the Bristol statue thing?

Keir Starmer is a bastard, have I spelt bastard correctly?

BillieWiper · 05/02/2026 10:48

It wasn't a burglary though. It was a protest. I'm sure if they assaulted someone or caused criminal damage then they could be done for that.

HappyFace2025 · 05/02/2026 10:47

Bagsintheboot · 04/02/2026 16:18

So you can now break into a factory using a van, and attack people with sledgehammers?

No you can't OP and you know it, so don't be facetious.

They were found not guilty of aggravated burglary. The full judgement has not been published yet that I can see, but since this crime requires proving their intent to steal, cause criminal damage, or cause bodily harm I would place my bet that this is where it fell down. I would imagine this intent could not be proved. And the prosecution does have to prove it, and no, "but obviously they did" doesn't cut it.

I am curious about the fact that the jury was only able to reach partial verdicts on some charges and weren't able to reach verdicts at all on others. That could mean one of two things - bias in the jury, or the evidence being rather a mixed bag.

The judgement will be an interesting read if it is published.

Bias in the jury.

DdraigGoch · 05/02/2026 10:45

EvangelineTheNightStar · 05/02/2026 10:26

Well thank you @Mithral for your condescending response. Good “squirrel” for making a spelling error a focal point! Am sure you would never make such a crass error…
My understanding is the 2020 Bristol incident is an example where this criminal damage was treated with leniency in contrast with the swift, heavy-handed actions on the rioters in 2024.

So how is it Keir Starmer's fault that the Colston Four jury decided to acquit way back before he was PM?

EvangelineTheNightStar · 05/02/2026 10:26

Mithral · 05/02/2026 09:35

How is Keir (please note spelling) responsible for the Bristol statue thing?

Well thank you @Mithral for your condescending response. Good “squirrel” for making a spelling error a focal point! Am sure you would never make such a crass error…
My understanding is the 2020 Bristol incident is an example where this criminal damage was treated with leniency in contrast with the swift, heavy-handed actions on the rioters in 2024.

OhDear111 · 05/02/2026 09:55

Surely it was a charge of GBH? That must have stuck? It’s jury bias here or the wrong charge.

DifferentNameForQuestion · 05/02/2026 09:46

TheGrimSmile · 05/02/2026 09:35

Also, if there is a retrial of any of them, they are hardly going to get a fair trial now after the way the news channels have reported it.

They did quite well this time. Despite being on camera using a truck to smash their way in and a policewoman ending up being hit by one of their sledgehammers, they all had them in the video footage, apparently the jury struggled for hours with charges. Palestine Action appear to do what they want. Interesting 'justice' system we have! What next?

TheGrimSmile · 05/02/2026 09:35

Also, if there is a retrial of any of them, they are hardly going to get a fair trial now after the way the news channels have reported it.

Mithral · 05/02/2026 09:35

EvangelineTheNightStar · 05/02/2026 09:34

This, it’s frightening and definitely a two tier judicial system. Well done Kier and Labour.

How is Keir (please note spelling) responsible for the Bristol statue thing?

EvangelineTheNightStar · 05/02/2026 09:34

RhannionKPSS · 05/02/2026 09:28

The rot set in when those thugs in Bristol threw a statue into the water and got away with that

This, it’s frightening and definitely a two tier judicial system. Well done Kier and Labour.

RhannionKPSS · 05/02/2026 09:30

I think the jury were intimidated in this case

RhannionKPSS · 05/02/2026 09:28

MaturingCheeseball · 05/02/2026 09:08

I don’t think some members of the jury understand or care about the law. We are in severe trouble if certain causes allow violent criminals to escape justice if jury members sympathise with them.

I wonder why the trial was in Woolwich when the crime was in Bristol?

The rot set in when those thugs in Bristol threw a statue into the water and got away with that

RhannionKPSS · 05/02/2026 09:26

I cannot believe that they got away with this!!! It’s utterly appalling, they could have killed the police woman, she will have to live with those injuries for life now. Sickening how low our justice system has fallen

FMLGFastMovingLuxuryGoods · 05/02/2026 09:25

blobby10 · 05/02/2026 09:16

From my very brief stint as a juror 15 years ago, the minute the jury is told "there must be no doubt in your mind" it automatically makes everyone have some doubt in their mind and the defendant ends up found not guilty. Even worse when the judge will only accept a 100% vote one way or the other as there will always be someone who isn't 100% sure.

I admit I don't know enough about the legal system to know if this is common or not or if it would be the case in a high profile trial like this rather than the very low key trial that I was a juror on which should never have gone to court.

It’s been a while since I worked in this field it I’m sure the “reasonable doubt” instruction has now changed

FMLGFastMovingLuxuryGoods · 05/02/2026 09:23

EvangelineTheNightStar · 05/02/2026 09:11

What does it mean then @FMLGFastMovingLuxuryGoods ? Honestly not very clued up on things like that!
I just can’t see how with all the evidence things have come to this conclusion.

Intent effectively means behaviour that you know could lead to certain outcomes.

So for example, if you hit someone with your car because you weren’t fully concentrating or you were speeding, that can be considered intent. The fact you didn’t set out to hit them doesn’t mean intent doesn’t exist. If you are driving perfectly safely and someone throws themselves in front of your car, it can be proven that that’s not intent.

The fact Thomas Corner (I think his name is) didn’t set out to break a police officer’s back, but did it anyway, doesn’t mean there was no intent.

It’s weirdly more complicated than it should be.