What should I say to my 19 year old daughter who has already decided that she hates men?

Which particular assertion are you referring to?

The world's full prisons holding women.

You've obviously never been to a women's prison

As I said it's the silence that allows it to go on.

Yes me but men I are not believed. I tried, I agree things have moved on but the stigma still exists. As in a women's life it wrecks mental health that's lasts a life time. That's why in my first post I mentioned the personal part.

Just to back this up.

A few years ago a friend of my then husbands was caught date rape drugging people in a nightclub.

My husband’s words were “Always knew he was weird.”

Weird was the strongest word he used, about a man he’d happily gone on nights out with, with his wife present.

How very 19 of you to make these assertions. 🙄

Yes. Yes. No.

The problem is that it’s impossible to tell which are the good men just by looking. And while not all men are “bad” a depressing number of the good guys by without challenging the “bad” ones.
“Out of ten men, one makes a sexual joke at a woman, two laugh, three fake a chuckle to fit in, and four stay silent. None of them speak up. Later, nine of them still believe they're the
"good guys." But from the woman's perspective, the laughter, the silence, the looking away, it all creates the same environment. So when women say "most men are the same," this is what they mean: not that every man harasses women, but that most men help protect the system that does.”

Dear Lord.

we know that not all men are criminals.

we just don’t know which ones.

hence the need for caution.

when you have cases like Gisele Pelicot where she was raped for years by hundreds of ordinary apparently good men, some of whom even refuse to recognise what they did was rape, it makes you wonder what ordinary men would do if they could get away with it.

do you understand?

I know the crime stats but you do know that not all men are criminals though, right?

That there are many good men out there? Or are you saying that good men don’t exist? Which if you are, shows rather a lack of nuance and quite a lot of mindless prejudice. Or you are 19.

I can’t engage with the “I hate men” brigade at all.
If this was my DD, I would be worried she lacked perspective.

No nuance is required to know that men commit the vast majority of violent crimes and those against women and girls.

Facts.

Why do you think it is ‘condescending’ to point out known facts about brain development and maturity?

I have no idea what the status of your brain development is, 25 is the age of full brain maturity for most but I don’t know you so I can’t comment.

Most adults have a degree of nuance with views like this - understanding that in the world there are men of all types, good, bad and indifferent. OP is frustrated because her DD does not appear to have that level of nuanced in her view hence my observation of the black and white thinking common at her age.

I’d be surprised if at 41 you had the same level of critical thinking as a 19 year old but each to their own I guess.

Pretty condescending. I'm 41 and I share her views. Is my brain still developing?

We still call them men and women. How many women are in prison for violent offenses? How many men?

How many men do women kill per week?
What percentage of men have been sexually harassed or assaulted multiple times since they were a teenager?

Better contact the government then and tell them we don't need a multi agency initiative to tackle the epidemic of MVAWG, because you think women are meaner.

Savvy girl, I wish I had been that savvy, at that age, would never have had anything to do with men.

That’s quite a big claim Geoff, do you have evidence for that?

She is not fully mature yet. Young people with still developing brains can be very black and white in their thinking. I’m sure she’ll develop some nuance in the future.

I’ve had far more problems with other women than men. The man hate on here is out of control

We still call them men and women. And one of them is far more likely to kill or hurt the other.

Exactly. That's the bit men like @Geoff1960 often ignore

We still call them men and women. And one of them is far more likely to kill or hurt the other.

Come off it? Are woman are not just as guilty through silence? Also I personally have been out when woman are on the rampage. Drinking, fighting with anything that moves. Don't just blame the men. On the other hand if anyone abused the women in my family I would end up where Maxwell is. Men, women or whatever the woke world calls them these days have no right to cause harm to others. Not that this would interest you but I was a truck driver delivering to women's prisons they are vile violent nasty pieces of work but then it's probably men that made them way in your book.

But look at the numbers of men vs women committing these crimes.

come off it. There is no comparison. Men are by far the perpetrators of the vast majority of crime. Whether they have a female accomplice or not.

Men on this thread saying this 19 year old woman has extreme views are risible.