What should I say to my 19 year old daughter who has already decided that she hates men?

It's up to men to prove her wrong.

What are the chances they will? That she will meet someone who will make her think again?

How many men genuinely stand up for victims? Speak up against child sex abuse? Sexism?

I can think of a lot of women who do. And a very small handful of men.

She really isn't.

She does know the person jailed for working with Epstein was a woman, right?

Yes nothing to see here. She’s pretty much right

My sons and husband are good men. There are good men and bad women in the world. I do think evil people are drawn to others just like them though and the internet has facilitated them finding each other.

What’s wrong exactly? She is correct to be disgusted and her attitude will hopefully protect her a bit. Hopefully. I stupidly thought 1 in 10 men was worth talking to at her age. I was wrong. Never met a man yet who views women as equally valid humans.

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If only it was just the filthy rich ones then we could at least avoid them.

They're from all walks of life. The real common denominator is they're men.

Maybe you could at least try to understand WHY women feel the way they do and advocate against some of the misogyny that enables rape culture, DV etc. That's what good men should do and would help women feel safer and more supported. Sitting back and enjoying the benefits of the patriarchy doesn't help anyone, let alone men in the long run.

I don't think you really need to say too much. She's processing some of the awful stuff going on in the world involving men. She will come to her own conclusion. I have to say by the time the news came out of an equivalent drug rapist in England to the one in France it made me think god how many more. I genuinely felt relief that I realised I was a lesbian later in my life and am married to a woman so don't have to worry what happen I my sleep. I'm know some nice kind men but sadly not many

She is right to feel enraged. I am enraged by the repugnant behaviour of so many men, and by society's willingness to turn a blind eye to that behaviour. Every woman on the fucking planet should be enraged.

I agree with other posters that you don't need to make the case that NAMALT. If she is lucky enough to meet any decent men, she will figure it out for herself.

According to MN all women are saints who never, ever, put a foot wrong 🤔

Your daughter is right. No, not all men are Epstein but almost all benefit from the power structures that allowed Epstein to exist. I genuinely think almost all men are misogynistic, some just hide it better than others.

Tell her that the world is a shit place and there's lots of evil. That's life. There will be plenty more of these horrific cases in her lifetime. Maybe not with so much wealth and grandeur as Epstein, but there will be more.

Tell her not to dwell on what she can't control and just focus on living her best life. As a man, that's all I can do myself. If women want to think that I'm evil like Epstein or savile simply because of my gender, that's on them. It's a prejudiced and bigoted view point, so I actively avoid women who think like this.

You could point out that Epstein's right hand man was a woman. Ghislaine was his enabler, she was the one enticing girls into his web of sexual abuse. I suspect many of their victims would have ran a mile if it weren't for Ghislaine. Same was true with Fred and rose west, Huntley and Hindley - the men on their own wouldn't have lured women and children so easily if it weren't for their female accomplice.

I would ask her what she thinks of Sarah Mountbattwn Windsor/Ferguson

This!

Yesterday I watched the 6 o’clock news followed by the local Scottish news and here are some of the stories I heard: Epstein files; Steven Wright pleading guilty to his 6th murder of a woman (Victoria Hall); the son of Norway’s Crown Princess being charged with multiple offences against women including rape; men making money from YouTube by filming women out at night without consent; the delay in the inquiry into the bundled police investigation into the murder of Emma Caldwell; the story of a man convicted of multiple rapes, domestic abuse and coercive control against 4 separate women. It was a lot to take, and I thought if I was young and hadn’t also known the many wonderful men in my life I’d be thinking why would you ever choose to get close to a man ever?!

Please explain? Without screaming at me.

It's not men perse, it's the absolutely filthy rich people. They're greedy, they always want more and more. Men are more likely to be sexual predators of course.

BTW does she have any nice male relatives - grandad/brother/uncle etc? I know you said her dad cheated which is awful.

Good on her!

My DS (10) has been asking about Epstein, and I’ve told him that there are some very evil men in this world. That’s why it’s so important that he’s good and kind and looks out for other people

We can’t justify the evil in this world. But we can acknowledge it and guide them on how to behave and why it’s so important to just be decent. Perhaps that starts with the ability to recognise the bad in the world?

Yeah. I like the analogy of the poisoned sweets to counter the "It's not all mean" idea.

Here's a box of sweets
Some of them are poisoned but not all of them, some of them are fine.
But would you eat one out of the box?

Are you kidding? You do realize how incredibly offensive that comment is?! RIGHT?!!!