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to absolutely hate the how people are speaking English!

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exse24Londoner · 03/02/2026 16:35

I really hate how we have "suddenly" starting gifting presents rather than giving them as we did only a couple of years ago. Vacations - when did we start having vacations instead of holidays?????? The other day I saw an advert for pants - turned out to be trousers. Apparently when I speak to someone it is now liaising & if I call or text, I am reaching out..... the other day someone was talking about the front end, or as I prefer to call it - the beginning!!🙄

Dont get me wrong, I love the evolution of language & that generations make it their own but this isn't that this is not teenagers or cultures developing own language its...... weird management/pop psychology speak

is it just me??

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OchonAgusOchonOh · 08/02/2026 13:40

Oldwmn · 08/02/2026 12:48

It was dropped because there are less clunky ways of expressing the same thing.
It started to be dropped in the 18th century & you rarely see it used in 19th/20th English writing.
I'm old &, until recently, only came across it in American films & never, ever used it myself. This is probably why it grates so much.

It only sounds clunky to you because you are not used to it. Losing it has resulted in a loss of nuance in the dialects that no longer use is as distinct to got.

Rayburn · 08/02/2026 12:58

Labelledelune · 08/02/2026 12:57

I think a lot of it is down to children watching American rubbish. My grandson called the motorway the highway the other day and I corrected him. I totally agree with you.

You think highway isn’t an English word?

Labelledelune · 08/02/2026 12:57

I think a lot of it is down to children watching American rubbish. My grandson called the motorway the highway the other day and I corrected him. I totally agree with you.

Oldwmn · 08/02/2026 12:48

Anmbord · 08/02/2026 12:23

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder!

What was the very good reason?

I’m Irish so I use gotten as it didn’t die out here. I find it useful that the past tense and the past participle of the verb are different. It allows for a more nuanced expression.

For example, ‘He’s got the tickets’ and ’He’s gotten the tickets‘ have different meanings.

It was dropped because there are less clunky ways of expressing the same thing.
It started to be dropped in the 18th century & you rarely see it used in 19th/20th English writing.
I'm old &, until recently, only came across it in American films & never, ever used it myself. This is probably why it grates so much.

Rayburn · 08/02/2026 12:38

Anmbord · 08/02/2026 12:31

It’s handy when you have both forms at your disposal. I’d find it restrictive not to use both got and gotten.

Edited

I got gotten where I should have gotten got.

Anmbord · 08/02/2026 12:31

It’s handy when you have both forms at your disposal. I’d find it restrictive not to use both got and gotten.

Anmbord · 08/02/2026 12:23

Oldwmn · 08/02/2026 12:02

Yes! An ugly word that we dropped years ago for a very good reason.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder!

What was the very good reason?

I’m Irish so I use gotten as it didn’t die out here. I find it useful that the past tense and the past participle of the verb are different. It allows for a more nuanced expression.

For example, ‘He’s got the tickets’ and ’He’s gotten the tickets‘ have different meanings.

Rayburn · 08/02/2026 12:18

Oldwmn · 08/02/2026 12:02

Yes! An ugly word that we dropped years ago for a very good reason.

Looks like we didn’t drop it permanently, doesn’t it?

Oldwmn · 08/02/2026 12:02

JamesClyman · 03/02/2026 16:45

YANBU. There is no such word in English as "gotten". It's "got"!

Yes! An ugly word that we dropped years ago for a very good reason.

WorzelGummidgesGrandma · 08/02/2026 10:43

I find it hilarious when supermarkets describe their fish fingers as being enrobed in a crumb.

Rayburn · 08/02/2026 10:30

MarilynAE · 08/02/2026 08:15

I do not understand why people (it began in USA but now is used here a lot) say 'my husband and I' when it should be 'my husband and me' for example .... It was a present for my husband and I. You wouldn't say It was a present for I would you..? ' my husband and I went on holiday' is correct as you would say correctly 'I went on holiday'. I know it is a small thing but it drives me nutty. take the other person out of the sentence and see how it sounds. I know, I should have better things to get stressed about.

Kids are corrected at school for “Me and her did it.”

They assume “I” is posher or something, without understanding subject and object.

Rayburn · 08/02/2026 10:26

HilaryThorpe · 08/02/2026 05:50

Out of interest, is it just for more informal wear? Would you say, "he wore a navy jacket and very smart navy pants to his wedding"?

Everyone wears their best underwear at their wedding!

Rayburn · 08/02/2026 10:25

nevernotmaybe · 08/02/2026 03:36

Their has been used for singular reference since the 1300s.

“Their/them/they singular is useful when you don’t know someone’s sex, or they are a figurative individual who could be either sex.

I usually call an animal it, unless its name or sex is relevant or obvious.

Gardenservant · 08/02/2026 10:09

My pet hate is 'step up to the plate'. We don't play baseball here and we used to say 'mark' or 'crease' for cricket. Another irritating one is 'price point', it never means more than 'price'. I hate Americanisms creeping in to our language, especially now with Trump in charge.

MarilynAE · 08/02/2026 08:15

I do not understand why people (it began in USA but now is used here a lot) say 'my husband and I' when it should be 'my husband and me' for example .... It was a present for my husband and I. You wouldn't say It was a present for I would you..? ' my husband and I went on holiday' is correct as you would say correctly 'I went on holiday'. I know it is a small thing but it drives me nutty. take the other person out of the sentence and see how it sounds. I know, I should have better things to get stressed about.

Mithral · 08/02/2026 07:19

Coco1379 · 07/02/2026 23:35

I hate the use of ’their’ instead of ’his’ or ’her’. ’Their’ is plural. If you want gender neutrality just use the name. I had a note from the vet ’Loki is due for their flea treatment’. Why not ‘Loki’s flea treatment is now due’?

Do you object to something like -

A: "Someone is at the door"
B: "Could you please see what they want"

That is very standard English. The vet example seems similar - whoever wrote the reminder probably wasn't sure if Loki was male or female.

MammaBear1 · 08/02/2026 05:59

Lovelynames123 · 03/02/2026 16:48

Definitely been using pants in the NE for trousers for years, jogging pants, ski pants, pyjama pants...my pet peeve is " can I get...." when ordering, although do sometimes hear myself say it!

You’re right - they’re all pants in the NW.

Unless it’s formal pants - in which case they are “work trousers” 😂

Baloneyhahaboohoo · 08/02/2026 05:56

Anyone out there sick of hearing about ex Prince Andrew and the Harry saga Andrew behaves like a typically spoiled brat I want I want who cares what you want you’re fucked all the expensive education you received blew it away saying you are one of the biggest idiots is an understatement good luck to you now having to live in a “council “ house paying own bills would be a bonus the country and Crown should not be supporting you - go and get a job you’ve scrounged enough whoops your an OAP still scrounging as for the Harry creature - following in uncle Andrew’s footsteps I want I want need I say more

HilaryThorpe · 08/02/2026 05:50

Crumblesandcustard · 03/02/2026 17:20

I'm from Cumbria and would always say pants to mean trousers, although my teenagers laugh at me! Your underpants are kecks or grundies!

Out of interest, is it just for more informal wear? Would you say, "he wore a navy jacket and very smart navy pants to his wedding"?

Baloneyhahaboohoo · 08/02/2026 05:21

I hate the way people start a conversation or answering anything with SO look at the bloody so called politicians it’s almost always SO or the let me finish - if only they would finish ie stop talking crap and the other thing I hate is the stupidity of people kissing on meeting and the mhwa thing

nevernotmaybe · 08/02/2026 03:36

Coco1379 · 07/02/2026 23:35

I hate the use of ’their’ instead of ’his’ or ’her’. ’Their’ is plural. If you want gender neutrality just use the name. I had a note from the vet ’Loki is due for their flea treatment’. Why not ‘Loki’s flea treatment is now due’?

Their has been used for singular reference since the 1300s.

pompomtiddly · 08/02/2026 02:57

IthinkIamAnAlien · 07/02/2026 12:15

What is the earliest known use of the adjective gotten?
EARLIEST KNOWN USE
Middle English
The earliest known use of the adjective gotten is in the Middle English period (1150—1500).
OED's earliest evidence for gotten is from before 1382, in Bible (Wycliffite, early version).
Can't get better than the OED!

interesting!

RitaIncognita · 08/02/2026 01:46

StrikeForever · 08/02/2026 01:15

Because Americans need smelling salts if they hear the word toilet!

This is very true. And I would say it's nearly universal. In a deeply divided nation, we all agree on this. We avoid the word unless absolutely necessary and then only to refer to the actual fixture, as in "DH, I need your help. The toilet in the kids' bathroom is stopped up."

Some older generations in the US Deep South may have never uttered the word. My grandmother called it a commode.

StrikeForever · 08/02/2026 01:15

Yelrab · 08/02/2026 00:09

I very much dislike our children being referred to as ‘kids’. Why are rooms without baths sometimes called ‘bathrooms’?

Because Americans need smelling salts if they hear the word toilet!

Yelrab · 08/02/2026 00:09

I very much dislike our children being referred to as ‘kids’. Why are rooms without baths sometimes called ‘bathrooms’?

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