Epstein and the Monarchy. Question?

I’m amazed that many people who trot out the Trump argument don’t understand that in UK we have the monarch (head of state) and the PM ( head of government). Trump is both so it’s simply not comparable. Ireland. Germany for example keep the two roles separate and it seems to work well enough.

The point about the monarchy and abuse is that the Windsors are entrenched. The establishment both supports and is supported by the Windsors .

A president would be removed every 4 or 5 years
We can see that the Windsors come from literal generations of abusers and pedophiles and it appears normalised in their orbit

It is this entrenched privilege that both allows the offence to happen and keeps them above the law re consequences.

Which monarch is named in the Epstein files?

We don't need to find a named monarch in the Epstein files to list a litany of sex offenders patronised and defended by the current incumbent.

Someone that can actually be voted out? Personally, yes, I would call that preferable to someone that can’t be.

Could be worse for the British monarchy tbf. Norway’s situation is arguably worse.

Because it sits at the apex of society, and it consciously cultivates its own cachet, it's own rarified air, thus validating the notion of inequality, and promoting the idea that it's a good thing to be a member of an old boy network, or any other group that imagines itself to be set apart from the rest of humanity.

I disagree the monarchy is the least of it.

Apart from his alleged sexual sordidness and the potential cover up inherent in that who knows what MW may have heard or passed on in his role as Trade Envoy?

Those papers need to be unsealed and examined in the same way as the Mandy details will be.

@lazybone1
Good point!

They must think everyone is as stupid as they are

Unfortunately many are. See below!

You think we should have someone like Trump instead?

Yes, the only alternative to the monarchy is Trump.

@blubberyboo
Why is Trump always trotted out as an example? There are many countries where the Head of State is a responsible respected person.

You think we should have someone like Trump instead?

Which monarch is named in the Epstein files?

Why was Zara Phillips paid £200,000 by Johnny Hon? Which she initially denied but was forced into admitting when the Daily Mail found evidence.
They must think everyone is as stupid as they are.

We should be told why AMW was having meetings with Libyan gun runners. Was he selling secrets to them?

There are far more sensible, cogent, and relevant arguments for the abolition of the monarchy. I’m not sure why you’d go for this one.

Abolishing it is the only way to end the era of untouchable mediocrity. It’s absurd that in 2026, we are still granting diplomatic immunity and state protection to people who don't even represent the best of our country, let alone its laws. Dealing with the wider elite (I hate this word) problem is a massive task, but removing the hereditary layer is the most logical place to start. Why are we subsidizing a lifestyle for people who are effectively above the law while the rest of us play by the rules?

Because the British general public aren't expected to fawn, bow and scrape over Mandelson et al. They aren't shoved down their throats as "sweet" or "endearing" or "just like one of us". And the establishment don't encourage us to offer them blind love and devotion or to keep them in the lap of unquestioned luxury and tax exemptions. And Mandelson's mother didn't pay £12 million pounds to buy the silence of a trafficked young girl. A mother whom we are repeatedly told was of exemplary character and a role model for the nation.

Heads need to roll. Making Andrew and Fergie the primary focus will be in the interest of the other actors in this abhorrent saga. Yes, the monarchy needs to be held accountable. 100%. And if it falls, it falls. But the monarchy as scapegoat, being made an example of, could mean that others get away with some truly awful and dangerous shit. It's not JUST the monarchy.

I’m not sure that he knew about the selling of government information - the most egregious of his crimes - that only seems to have come to light last week.

And Starmer who knew about him but appointed him anyway

Completely. Focus on Mandelson who got paid for confidential government information.

This. It’s a red herring.

The British public like to separate the royals from what's going on in the real world. It's like they are concentrating SO hard, every minute of the day, doing what's best for us. They wouldn't get caught up in anything like this. Oh, wait a minute...

Because this is a British based site. Because the British public fund the royals and their excesses. Because the Queen paid a women her son claimed to never have met, 12 million...

Because the Monarchy are meant to lead by example. KC knew what was coming out and it is the only reason why AMW was stripped of his titles.

I would love to see them all fall and face justice, including the names in your post.

The monarchy seems to have mostly acted as useful idiots in service of those who were particularly skilled at manipulating others.

Because we're supposed to bow and scrape in their presence. Because they're leeches born into privilege who pop out occasionally to wave at the plebs. Because the whole concept of Monarchy is absolutely ridiculous.