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To feel awful for my sister, i don’t know how to help her?

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DurableMatts · 02/02/2026 19:54

My sister is a primary school teacher. She has been Job sharing her post for the last 3 years (2days 1 week and 3days the next) she is now ready to go back full time from sept as her dd will be in school. ( and will be attending the school she teaches in) she is so nervous to notify her school because the woman who has been doing the job share with has had a really tough time lately and has had to leave her dh. Now I know this woman probably will be able to find another job but it will be a drive away and you guesses it (she doesn’t drive) she lives a short walk from the school. She knows this other woman is very emotional and has herself all worked up over how she will react to the news. When she renewed the job share last year the other teacher made a flippant comment about how after all this time she considered the job share a given. She is sick at the thought of it all kicking off this week and I’m so worried about her.
We are in Ireland and this is how the system works here, a job share usually is a post shared by someone who owns the full time post as such.

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Granddama · 03/02/2026 21:14

It is the Headteacher's job to tell the job share that it finishes at the end of the contract. I'm sure there will be ample supply work in the area and most schools are reachable by public transport or in my own case by bike. I did supply teaching in primary school for many years and it has many advantages over the class teaching. It can be very challenging but the way to do it is to go with projects to cover the class for the day [open ended] in case there has been nothing left for the class to do. I feel sorry for your sister because one builds a very close relationship with the job-share partner, so that the change overs run like clockwork and in fact the children benefitted greatly. You can't help other than to let her talk about it, and off load how she is feeling about it. She could think about writing to her job share explaining the circumstances and how grateful she has been for the support and companionship they have shared over the time they have worked together. I hope it resolves itself amicably or else the children are in for a very unhappy time.

GoldenGail · 03/02/2026 21:02

FuzzyWolf · 02/02/2026 20:29

It’s not your sister’s fault but I think she could have preempted this by making it clear last year, where the woman she shares with commented about the job being a given, what her imminent plans were.

She thought last year she would have another baby and stay part time but her husband’s illness has changed her plans. Do keep up x

Moo31 · 03/02/2026 20:38

I haven't rtft but we are in NI and a friend who is a teacher reduced her hours until her DS went to primary school - she was only allowed to do the reduced hours on a temporary basis for up to 5 years before either returning to full time hours or making the reduced hour arrangement permanent (whereby they would have recruited someone permanent to fill the remaining hours). It sounds like a similar arrangement. The teacher who covered the reduced hours temporarily will (should) know that it was always a temporary arrangement.

SpringTimeIsRingTime · 03/02/2026 19:30

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Wildefish · 03/02/2026 19:06

Crunchymum · 02/02/2026 20:00

This sounds like a shit deal for the secondary person in the job share - very insecure. Does this mean the main teacher can decide to go back to full time on a whim or will your sister need to wait until they renew the next contract?

What notice will the other teacher get?

She will have taken the job on as temporary knowing that it would only be for a set amount of time. A bit like maternity cover.

SpringTimeIsRingTime · 03/02/2026 19:03

BeFairOliveBear · 02/02/2026 23:06

What a ridiculous comment, my neices and nephews are at school in Dublin and probably 75% of their teachers are from their local area in Dublin.
The same curriculum is taught in all schools in Ireland, Dublin children are not given an inferior syllabus. And entry to university to become a teacher in all the teaching colleges in Ireland are solely based on the results in their final exams. It is the most equitable system there could be. Teachers are selected by a board of management not a parent working in a school.

In terms of guards it is a long-standing policy not station new officers in their home county or near where they grew up, to reduce potential conflicts of interest preventing guards from having to police friends, family, or people they went to school with, which is seen as crucial for impartial policing. This is common practice globally. Obviously Dublin has the highest demand for policing so a lot of guards will be assigned there.

It's not a ridiculous comment - it's an observation based on several decades of life experience. Middle-class kids have plenty of role models in the teaching profession - working-class kids do not - that's reality. Most of the teachers teaching in working class areas did not grow up there - they get in their cars at the end of the day and drive to nice middle-class areas.

I'm not the only person to have gone through the education system without meeting a single teacher from the same background as myself. Most of the teachers I had actively despised working-class children and all of them lived in places like Leopardstown, Terenure or Rathfarnham.

One of the biggest challenges for teachers at the moment is the cost of accommodation in Dublin which is much less of an issue for newly qualified teachers who come from Dublin who live at home. It's a much bigger issue for teachers moving to Dublin from the country. Last year alone, there were 3,500 teachers on "leave of absence" many shortly after getting a permanent role who then have to be replaced with temporary teachers hired on short-term contracts which is not in the interest of the children in those schools. The whole leave of absence option is a scam - it doesn't exist in the private sector and with so much shortage of teachers (despite universities pumping more and more out every year) it should be abolished altogether.

The bottom line is that working-class children deserve and need teachers from their own communities. Ditto for Travellers and for foreign nationals.
Everyone needs role models.

In relation to the Gardai, I'd love to know where all the Dublin born Guards have been hiding throughout my lifetime.

DurableMatts · 03/02/2026 10:15

pinkfondu · 03/02/2026 10:12

Ultimately it’s like any fixed term contract. In England if I took one on as a maternity cover I could hope they don’t come back but it’s not my right to the job

Yes essentially 👍

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pinkfondu · 03/02/2026 10:12

Ultimately it’s like any fixed term contract. In England if I took one on as a maternity cover I could hope they don’t come back but it’s not my right to the job

honeyrider · 03/02/2026 09:57

My children are 30 and 28 and both had years when their teachers job shared and it worked very well. It's also a good thing to help minimise a class being stuck with a lazy or poor performing teacher for a year when the other teacher can be a safety net.

Most children are pretty good at adapting especially if parents don't make a big deal out of it.

BeFairOliveBear · 03/02/2026 08:50

2026new · 03/02/2026 08:23

I do hope the sister had been honest that she has always planned to return full time when her kid is in school.

It's not a matter of being honest. Sometimes people don't know or their circumstances change. OP has said her sister is returning earlier than expected due to her husbands health issues.

EmeraldShamrock000 · 03/02/2026 08:27

honeylulu · 03/02/2026 08:17

You don't need to feel awful for your sister, she wants her FT hours back and she'll get them. If you are going to feel sorry for anyone, pity the other teacher who will get the heave ho (though to be fair she must have always been aware this was likely and she has until September to find a new post).

Very interesting how different the system is to the UK, I had no idea.

Afaik It is a recent enough change, maybe 5 years, there is a shortage of teachers.
My DD is 17, it wasn’t a common thing when she was in primary school. It is a supply and demand, if they want to keep teachers they have to move with the times and allow family too.
There are plenty of jobs that you can’t do PT. Teaching was one of them.
Apologies to the teachers on here, ready to jump on me.

2026new · 03/02/2026 08:23

I do hope the sister had been honest that she has always planned to return full time when her kid is in school.

honeylulu · 03/02/2026 08:17

You don't need to feel awful for your sister, she wants her FT hours back and she'll get them. If you are going to feel sorry for anyone, pity the other teacher who will get the heave ho (though to be fair she must have always been aware this was likely and she has until September to find a new post).

Very interesting how different the system is to the UK, I had no idea.

EmeraldShamrock000 · 03/02/2026 07:40

Minjou · 03/02/2026 06:43

I don't agree. My DD has had several job sharing teachers throughout primary, she actively enjoys having two different teachers and it all works very well.

That’s good. It can work very well depending upon the teachers and it can also be a disaster depending on the teachers, it is great for the teachers for a balanced schedule, not so great for the students when teachers differ, ms honey vs ms sour.
Some children end up having 3 teachers.
Many children don’t like it, especially when the other 5 class in their year have a FT teacher.

BudgetBuster · 03/02/2026 07:37

DurableMatts · 02/02/2026 22:22

I was told this too, none of our Garda are local, the are from cork etc. we are not in Dublin. I suppose the Gaeltacht might be different as they would need the Irish still these days. I dunno…

Gardai are not allowed patrol within a certain distance of their hometown for a certain number of years / they become a s certain grade (I can't remember the specific year). This is to avoid young gardai from.being influenced by friends / family.

They can eventually request a transfer home of one becomes available but by then they have usually settled down etc.

DurableMatts · 03/02/2026 07:28

Newbuildtooldbuild · 03/02/2026 06:54

Why does your sister get to decide? Surely if both are employed by the school one can’t decide to just take the other persons job? I must have missed something on the thread?

Is the other teacher a supply teacher/not contracted?

We are in Ireland, it works differently here. It’s my sister’s job. The other teacher is doing the job share on a rolling temporary contract.

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Martymcfly24 · 03/02/2026 07:23

SpringTimeIsRingTime · 02/02/2026 23:51

Good for you if you have managed to get in - is it a permanent job or are you just filling in for someone who's in Dubai on leave of absence or on maternity leave?

Btw, Irish is no more difficult to learn than any other European language.
You're just repeating a tired mantra that has been repeated Ad Infinitum since my father (long dead) was a little boy.

I didn't hear anyone speak French when I was in secondary school and yet I progressed at a much greater speed with no greater interest in that language - it was just another mandatory subject.
The difference was the curriculum.

I have children in their early twenties now and know how the Irish curriculum has changed - not nearly enough. The first thing to check is the number of nouns taught at each year in primary school and compare this to the number of French nouns taught at French schools in Canada to foreign nationals who don't even speak a European language at home. There is simply no way any child leaving primary school in Ireland has anything more than a smattering of Irish.

I also have nieces and nephews who attended "all Irish" primary schools and yet bizarrely, never speak Irish outside of school, which leads me to believe they are being taught in English despite all the funding that goes into the Gaelscoils.
The first thing you would expect is that children would speak in Irish to one another to say things they didn't want their parents to understand and this has never happened despite being taught all day long in Irish for 8 years.
That's suspect.

Imho, it's just a scam to give permanent pensionable jobs to the children of native Irish speakers.

Edited

Ah stop.
The conspiracy theories are strong on this one.

I have been teaching 24 years.

I am so shocked that you progressed faster in a couple of years learning a language at 13 years old that at 4 years old(especially with your attitude towards it).....

Newbuildtooldbuild · 03/02/2026 06:54

Why does your sister get to decide? Surely if both are employed by the school one can’t decide to just take the other persons job? I must have missed something on the thread?

Is the other teacher a supply teacher/not contracted?

Minjou · 03/02/2026 06:43

EmeraldShamrock000 · 02/02/2026 20:55

Good.
Those new job sharing teacher roles are very unsettling for the children.
It’s only done because there is no alternative.
I am sure the school will be able to use the PT teacher for resource lessons.
They are often short of resource teachers.

I don't agree. My DD has had several job sharing teachers throughout primary, she actively enjoys having two different teachers and it all works very well.

Wayk · 03/02/2026 00:14

I am in Ireland.

Please encourage her to keep it simple. Put in her application that she is going back full time (this will is just a formality). If the lady she job shares with is well liked another position may come available. Also your sister has her own personal problems with her husband’s medical issues.

SpringTimeIsRingTime · 02/02/2026 23:51

Martymcfly24 · 02/02/2026 23:00

Why are you so upset about teachers in Ireland? I can categorically say a huge part of what you are saying is untrue.

Im from a very working class inner city background (Deis Band 1 school first in family to go to college) and teach in a rural school in Cork where I am not from.
I got the job through open interview.

I'm not sure what your point about Irish is. Have you seen the way it is taught? Puppets, songs, stories, games and dramas. Progressing onto reading and writing. It is usually those who come from the houses with the most negative attitudes to the language struggle the most . Irish is a difficult language to learn it's grammar rules/exceptions and phonics bear little resemblance to English.

And teaching a language to children who do not hear it in day to day life or whose parents cannot speak is very challenging.

Good for you if you have managed to get in - is it a permanent job or are you just filling in for someone who's in Dubai on leave of absence or on maternity leave?

Btw, Irish is no more difficult to learn than any other European language.
You're just repeating a tired mantra that has been repeated Ad Infinitum since my father (long dead) was a little boy.

I didn't hear anyone speak French when I was in secondary school and yet I progressed at a much greater speed with no greater interest in that language - it was just another mandatory subject.
The difference was the curriculum.

I have children in their early twenties now and know how the Irish curriculum has changed - not nearly enough. The first thing to check is the number of nouns taught at each year in primary school and compare this to the number of French nouns taught at French schools in Canada to foreign nationals who don't even speak a European language at home. There is simply no way any child leaving primary school in Ireland has anything more than a smattering of Irish.

I also have nieces and nephews who attended "all Irish" primary schools and yet bizarrely, never speak Irish outside of school, which leads me to believe they are being taught in English despite all the funding that goes into the Gaelscoils.
The first thing you would expect is that children would speak in Irish to one another to say things they didn't want their parents to understand and this has never happened despite being taught all day long in Irish for 8 years.
That's suspect.

Imho, it's just a scam to give permanent pensionable jobs to the children of native Irish speakers.

Genevieva · 02/02/2026 23:32

BeFairOliveBear · 02/02/2026 23:19

Some Irish people go to the UK for teaching degrees as the grades required in the UK are much lower than in Ireland. Teachers in Ireland are very well paid and well respected (moreso than in the UK in my experience) so it is very competitive in terms of exam grades.
It has nothing to do with "insiders" and "outsiders", that is one of the silliest posts I have ever read.

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Well the student teachers I trained alongside were brilliant. Teacher pay in the UK is pretty good once you add in TLRs. The employer pension contributions are huge (c.29%).

BeFairOliveBear · 02/02/2026 23:19

Genevieva · 02/02/2026 23:09

I’ve found your contributions to this thread fascinating. They also perhaps explain why there were quite a few Irish students on my teacher trying course in the UK c.20 years ago. Brilliantly gifted teachers by the way. Our gain I guess.

Some Irish people go to the UK for teaching degrees as the grades required in the UK are much lower than in Ireland. Teachers in Ireland are very well paid and well respected (moreso than in the UK in my experience) so it is very competitive in terms of exam grades.
It has nothing to do with "insiders" and "outsiders", that is one of the silliest posts I have ever read.

Papercompany · 02/02/2026 23:16

I work in a school. Your sister is massively overthinking this. The Principal will deal with it. Job share arrangements are always temporary.

goldylock · 02/02/2026 23:13

Plus, am sorry to say this, but you're slightly enabling your sister here in this "feeling awful".

I know she's your younger sister. I've one too. But this is a bit indulgent in the category of awful things and also how to deal with it. A most normal response is "hope that lady finds a fulltime job, if she wants one" and thats the extent of it.

That's how you help her. Get a more practical view on things.