Do friends of rich people have no shame?

It's all one big grift. I despise people who bow and scrape to the Royal Family. All those idiots who queued to see the Queen! What a lot of delusional, braindead sheep.

@Gahr
And the weirdos at Sandringham on Christmas Day asking a 10 year old child for selfies.

Many years ago, my aunt was a friend and neighbour of one of Mandelson's relatives. The relative told my aunt he was fed up of Mandelson asking for loans. He wanted to borrow enough for a deposit for a house. He's obviously used to begging.

It's staggering to read.
I have some staggeringly wealthy friends. I never asked for money even when I was skipping meals I was so short of cash.

I think it's clear though that these were transactional relationships not friendships.

The amount of amnesia that seems to be affecting the people involved - insane.

I found the Mandelson’s now husband one odd. How did Mandelson not have £10k?

It's a trade off. Maxwell grew up with money and status. Then her father died in dodgy circumstances and left them all with no money. So she attached herself to JE. He had huge amounts of money but he wanted the trips to the Royal enclosure at Ascot and she knew/ had been to school with the right people. He wanted the upper class 'shine' and she wanted private jets and houses and designer clothes. Andrew and Fergie had the Royal connections that made JE respectable but everyone knows that British Royals below the heir and the spare are far poorer than they'd like to be but can't earn their money in conventional ways ( thick, unqualified, vulgar to work like us common folk) so they cultivate rich people in exchange for photos and favours and contacts. If those rich people have houses with multiple hidden cameras in then they're trapped.JE lends money to Andrew in exchange for a trip to Balmoral, an invitation to Buckingham palace. He gets what he wants and AMW maintains his lifestyle. When you're in that deep asking for money is probably the least vulgar thing you've ever done.

They are surely code words being used for something nefarious?

Well, I mean - all the people listed very obviously have no shame.

I think that’s on them personally though, rather than a generic ‘friends of rich people’ issue.

It's a trade off. Maxwell grew up with money and status. Then her father died in dodgy circumstances and left them all with no money. So she attached herself to JE. He had huge amounts of money but he wanted the trips to the Royal enclosure at Ascot and she knew/ had been to school with the right people. He wanted the upper class 'shine' and she wanted private jets and houses and designer clothes. Andrew and Fergie had the Royal connections that made JE respectable but everyone knows that British Royals below the heir and the spare are far poorer than they'd like to be but can't earn their money in conventional ways ( thick, unqualified, vulgar to work like us common folk) so they cultivate rich people in exchange for photos and favours and contacts. If those rich people have houses with multiple hidden cameras in then they're trapped.JE lends money to Andrew in exchange for a trip to Balmoral, an invitation to Buckingham palace. He gets what he wants and AMW maintains his lifestyle. When you're in that deep asking for money is probably the least vulgar thing you've ever done.

It's a trade off. Maxwell grew up with money and status. Then her father died in dodgy circumstances and left them all with no money. So she attached herself to JE. He had huge amounts of money but he wanted the trips to the Royal enclosure at Ascot and she knew/ had been to school with the right people. He wanted the upper class 'shine' and she wanted private jets and houses and designer clothes. Andrew and Fergie had the Royal connections that made JE respectable but everyone knows that British Royals below the heir and the spare are far poorer than they'd like to be but can't earn their money in conventional ways ( thick, unqualified, vulgar to work like us common folk) so they cultivate rich people in exchange for photos and favours and contacts. If those rich people have houses with multiple hidden cameras in then they're trapped.JE lends money to Andrew in exchange for a trip to Balmoral, an invitation to Buckingham palace. He gets what he wants and AMW maintains his lifestyle. When you're in that deep asking for money is probably the least vulgar thing you've ever done.

Reading about the Epstein files, the first thing that struck me was the awful photo of Andrew kneeling over what looks like a very young woman, looking extremely pervy.

The second thing was the emails from people like Fergie and Peter Madelson's husband asking for money. "I need 20 grand for rent, today." "I need 10 grand for an osteopath course." Have they no shame whatsoever? Surely if you're friends with a rich person, you're very careful not to mention financial needs so they don't think you're only after their cash? Let alone actually ask for handouts!