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Do friends of rich people have no shame?

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NotDarkGothicMama · 01/02/2026 21:43

Reading about the Epstein files, the first thing that struck me was the awful photo of Andrew kneeling over what looks like a very young woman, looking extremely pervy.

The second thing was the emails from people like Fergie and Peter Madelson's husband asking for money. "I need 20 grand for rent, today." "I need 10 grand for an osteopath course." Have they no shame whatsoever? Surely if you're friends with a rich person, you're very careful not to mention financial needs so they don't think you're only after their cash? Let alone actually ask for handouts!

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HRTQueen · 02/02/2026 00:07

lazybone1 · 01/02/2026 21:52

entitled people have no shame

^^ this

Robogob · 02/02/2026 00:05

Muffinmam · 02/02/2026 00:02

They are evil.

The Police should reopen the case of the murdered Latvian woman whose body was found near Andrew Mountbatten’s estate.

There are people who knew what Andrew was up to and have been covering for him for years.

I’ve not heard about this. Can you link to info? Thank u.

JasonTindallsTan · 02/02/2026 00:04

JuliettaCaeser · 01/02/2026 21:51

God we find the opposite- Dds best friend is from a seriously rich international family we end up spending more to be reciprocal!.

We do that as well, have a very wealthy family member and whenever we visit them we spend a fortune to try and not appear as freeloaders.

Robogob · 02/02/2026 00:03

All these emails are so fucking … bizarre! Could there be some kind of code going on? I mean, osteopathy?

Muffinmam · 02/02/2026 00:02

They are evil.

The Police should reopen the case of the murdered Latvian woman whose body was found near Andrew Mountbatten’s estate.

There are people who knew what Andrew was up to and have been covering for him for years.

rainingsnoring · 02/02/2026 00:02

AngelinaFibres · 01/02/2026 22:37

It's a trade off. Maxwell grew up with money and status. Then her father died in dodgy circumstances and left them all with no money. So she attached herself to JE. He had huge amounts of money but he wanted the trips to the Royal enclosure at Ascot and she knew/ had been to school with the right people. He wanted the upper class 'shine' and she wanted private jets and houses and designer clothes. Andrew and Fergie had the Royal connections that made JE respectable but everyone knows that British Royals below the heir and the spare are far poorer than they'd like to be but can't earn their money in conventional ways ( thick, unqualified, vulgar to work like us common folk) so they cultivate rich people in exchange for photos and favours and contacts. If those rich people have houses with multiple hidden cameras in then they're trapped.JE lends money to Andrew in exchange for a trip to Balmoral, an invitation to Buckingham palace. He gets what he wants and AMW maintains his lifestyle. When you're in that deep asking for money is probably the least vulgar thing you've ever done.

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Very well put.
They aren't friends. They are mutually beneficial contacts. Epstein was a master at what he did. He drew in so many of the rich and powerful to his vile circle.
You can't even attempt to compare them to normal friendships @NotDarkGothicMama

ShamedBySiri · 01/02/2026 23:58

I also find the tone of some of the emails bizarre - all “you’re my best friend ever” “what a super duper chap you are (even though you’ve just been released from prison for unspeakable behaviour”
Who writes shit like that to friends? It’s vomit inducing.

GarlicBound · 01/02/2026 23:56

MsSmartShoes · 01/02/2026 22:47

Spot on - these are very transactional relationships.no one worries about losing friends because of the moral depravity, complicity in exploiting others. These are the “devils darlings” and capitalism made it possible.

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I hardly think feudalism, communism or any other economic system is free of graft. There's always someone with 'more' and someone trying to get some of it.

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NotDarkGothicMama · 01/02/2026 23:53

LadyGAgain · 01/02/2026 23:24

I voted YABU because these people are despicable and vile, and you’re focusing on the wrong thing.

Oh, I agree. This was one aspect that struck me as particularly odd and completely different to what I think of as normal behaviour. Same as if I saw one of the royals in Waitrose: pretend you hadn't noticed them and leave them be, rather than bowing and scraping and gushing all over them.

Which people are despicable and vile? As far as I can see, the only Epstein associates to have faced any consequences have been Maxwell, Andrew, Fergie and Mandelson. Andrew seems to be the one daft enough to be on the front pages. A handy distraction. Where's everyone else?! Why does no one remember anything?

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EmeraldShamrock000 · 01/02/2026 23:50

Cheeky fucker syndrome exists in all society's. I'd imagine that it is all part of being spoilt rotten inside and out.
High society disgusting entitlement. I don't believe that it is normal behaviour for the majority of rich people.
The files are sickening.

Sophomore · 01/02/2026 23:47

MsSmartShoes · 01/02/2026 22:47

Spot on - these are very transactional relationships.no one worries about losing friends because of the moral depravity, complicity in exploiting others. These are the “devils darlings” and capitalism made it possible.

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If you read about Andrew and Fergie, their entire lives have been based on persuading dodgy rich people to give them money. It’s not about being friends of rich people- it’s about being a venal little toad.

BlackCatDiscoClub · 01/02/2026 23:47

Great points from PP. I think the fact they felt comfortable asking for money speaks to how they knew what he was up to, and that he needed their aura to continue his game. All transactional. Also, Fergie and Andrew would never think their daughters were at risk! They were aristos, not the poor disposable girls Epstein was trafficking. It wouldn't cross their minds that their daughters were in the same group. And it wouldn't have crossed Epsteins mind either. He dehumanised the women he trafficked, they all did.

Manxexile · 01/02/2026 23:45

Wafflesandcrepes · 01/02/2026 22:52

So pissed off with Labour right now. Oh so moralistic. Oh so judgey. But any occasion to get their grabby, grubby little hands on someone else’s money and they’re right in there. They disgust me. (I am - was - a Labour voter)

Wasn't Mandelson the architect of New Labour?

😆

ShamedBySiri · 01/02/2026 23:43

Fingalscave · 01/02/2026 22:57

Many years ago, my aunt was a friend and neighbour of one of Mandelson's relatives. The relative told my aunt he was fed up of Mandelson asking for loans. He wanted to borrow enough for a deposit for a house. He's obviously used to begging.

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How extraordinary that he kept on asking? Not taking No for an answer first time.

MidWayThruJanuary · 01/02/2026 23:39

Mandy has resigned from the Labour Party.

Paperwhite209 · 01/02/2026 23:38

Epstein was probably more than averagely obliging (and let it be known that was the case) because he knew famn well
it would give him a hold over people.

BeckyBloom · 01/02/2026 23:34

About the time of his mortgage debacle, I read an interview with Mandelson in which he described himself as exotic. Never laughed so much! He really thought he was something

ShamedBySiri · 01/02/2026 23:32

plentyofsunshine · 01/02/2026 22:49

Yes beautifully put.

Epstein knew exactly what he was doing, he encouraged it.

He was secretly filming guests with the sex workers and holding that over their heads.

That is one weird photo of AMW leaning over that women. It looks like he's in a CPR training session.

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Maybe he’s also learning osteopathy?

ThePieceHall · 01/02/2026 23:30

What money? There is no money. This is not your money. Anyone else love Jon Klassen’s books and recognise the universal theme of greed?

MidWayThruJanuary · 01/02/2026 23:28

@JacknDiane
The next generation are being thrown to the wolves. Just like William and Harry 3 decades ago.

TheBlythe · 01/02/2026 23:25

TheGander · 01/02/2026 23:12

I remember the whole kerfuffle over Mandy’s mortgages and loans from back in the day. He liked the high life but seems the day job didn’t pay enough https://www.independent.co.uk/news/mandelson-hid-mortgages-from-lender-1103632.html?test_group=lighteradlayout
Oh and he’s just resigned from the Labour Party 🎉

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But still in the House of Lords….

LadyGAgain · 01/02/2026 23:24

I voted YABU because these people are despicable and vile, and you’re focusing on the wrong thing.

JacknDiane · 01/02/2026 23:24

Gahr · 01/02/2026 23:17

And that. Fucking freaks, the lot of them!

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I agree, totally agree.

But the royals all seem happy walking to church on Xmas morning, like animals at the zoo.

I don't know what's worse.

Forty85 · 01/02/2026 23:24

It was likely more a blackmail type situation because they had info on him and he knew it so would give them whatever hush money they wanted.

Thoseslippers · 01/02/2026 23:24

No one gets to that level of wealth and power by being a decent human being.
Well almost no one im willing to imagine there might be some people who accidentally stumbled upon some invention or idea that ends up making them a mint.
But on the whole continuing to generate wealth and power at that level will involve some degree of entitlement abd willingness to exploit others.
Politeness and class would just be a type of charm in order to exploit and manipulate, it wouldn't be out of a genuine decency or empathy.
So no im not suprised at all. Of course they'll just openly ask for money because they feel they deserve to be given abd to have money on tap.
Ordinary people would never have the audacity because they haven't ben brought up with this kind of deep intrinsic confidence that they are important and of value. There's no shame in these people.
If there was they would not be able to exist in these positions of power or extreme wealth. They'd feel too guilty.