Do friends of rich people have no shame?

Not sure 'tipped off' exactly but he will have known that there was more to come. He knows AMW, he knows his personality.

The queen believed she was annointed by god. This gave her a sense of duty and obligation. AMW, as favourite son of god's annointed, instead of duty and obligation just has a very strong sense of entitlement.

AMW does not believe he has done anything wrong. To him it makes sense that young, attractive women would want to have sex with him because he is the favourite son of god's annointed.

The RF knows he is a stupid, vain, pompous arse with a toddler tantrum temper when thwarted. They will have known there was more to come.

I don’t condone Andrew’s actions at all but I don’t find that photo particularly incriminating I have to say. We have zero information about the context of the photo .

I think there are a lot of people being protected who shouldn’t be protected and focusing on that photo is just a distraction at this stage

Mandelson is Labour

I agree OP.

I don’t think everybody is like this around rich people. But it is truly horrible seeing what money washes away for people without any moral core.

To think we were supposed to look up to some of these people. Begging a sexual criminal for rent money just so they could keep pretending they aren’t like us. How many of us have to start again multiple times during our lives. I’ve known so many addicts and recovering addicts maintaining bedsits who were living a kinder and more morally worthwhile life than SF.

It’s odd isn’t it, I’m naive enough to be genuinely shocked by the Bill Gates stuff. And yy that one of Epstein’s many perversions was enjoying corrupting and dominating people. I suppose it’s a different manifestation of his abuse of children.

Agree. I don't understand why we haven't had any other names?

They are all pond life.

I agree Gliterella, you can't only look at the worst of what these people have done, you need to look at the entire environment to understand how they got away with it, and how they will presumably continue to get away with it. It's terrifying for me as a parent and if society has any hope of protecting children in future we need to understand these people and what enabled them. We need to question every detail of their sordid lives and we need to get better at not letting people off the hook because they are rich or royal as if that's somehow an excuse for their lack of morals. It should actually bring down the monarchy at this point.

I am going to repeat what I said earlier. Is it not possible to be both outraged and question the smaller details as a matter of curiosity? Are we so single minded that we can only either be outraged at Epstein and his friends OR question how these sort of things happen (like asking your wealthy mate for rent money)…

Come on. You can entirely be upset outraged disgusted and STILL wonder about the seemingly trivial details about other elements of the story.

Apologies if this has been said already but these people are also thick as mince. I saw Fergie at an event a few years ago and she was on another planet in terms of her sense of entitlement to people's time and attention - it was a book event and though she may call herself an 'author' and have enough simps around her to let her believe it, her behaviour was that of a tedious toddler. And that's being very unkind to toddlers. Utter moron. I think it's that combination of being very stupid and very privileged that brings out the worst in people - a sense of being beyond the rules of the plebs but with no intelligence to question themselves. They are truly a waste of skin, all of them.

This.

Eh?

Sure as hell King Charles was tipped of about what was coming in those papers, wasn't he?

I'm expecting Andrew to claim the new photos were from a CPR course!

AMW and SF’s lives are already ruined. Sad though that they have been the scapegoats and people like Trump and Gates get away with it plus all the other nameless people who are too powerful to be exposed.

If 30 years ago you’d have said that the future POTUS is a proven sexually deviant rapist and FLOTUS is a trafficked hooker then people would’ve laughed. I can’t believe how far America has fallen and all this was known anyway but they still voted for him. 🤷‍♀️

I agree re Andrew. It’s as if when the heat is on others they release a few Andrew pics. He’s expendable, the royal family can’t protect him as the relationship with America is being put above everything else by government. The one person who isn’t being embarrassed right now is Trump and I don’t believe that’s because no compromising pictures of him exist.

Oh puhleeeze.

If you think corruption at the top of society is restricted to capitalist economies you've not been reading the right books or watching the right documentaries.

Yeah, it's almost like they are just claiming to have forgotten...

If you listen to lownies book Epstein was a sophisticated blackmailer. A comment was made that Andrew was totally out of his depth and clueless it was like putting a python in with a rabbit

Andrew is obviously an absolute idiot, but he’s also a good fall guy for the whole thing. His arrogance was such that he clearly presumed being Queenie’s favourite and the the largely fawning attitude Brits/the media have toward the institution of monarchy would be sufficient to keep him safe. So he didn’t have any guard up at all. While many others were a lot smarter than him in not posing for dozens of pics while drunk or coked up or whatever he was on, and by the sounds of some of the excerpts got up to a lot worse than even Andrew.

My sixpence worth:

• Epstein was a pervert who enjoyed corrupting others.
• Grifters such as AMW/SF/PM had to ask for financial favours.
• People had to ask to be invited to parties.
• Having to ask removed deniability.
• CIA/MI6/KGB/whoever rewarded/protected Epstein for giving them the dirt on the people he corrupted.
• AMW was the late queen's favourite. He was being sidelined towards the end of her life but the big stripping of titles could only happen once she died.
• AMW & SF had titles stripped because at some point they may appear in court either as witnesses or in the dock (financial dealings). Without titles they will appear in court papers as plain Mr/Mrs/Ms. The RF is playing a long game.

The thing is we all know the sorts of things they’ve been up to, but they’ve been very careful to tie up loose ends - Epstein himself also Jean-Luc Brunel (another tragic prison “suicide”). So we’re only left with a ton of circumstantial evidence and personal accusations. I suspect others in the know, probably including some other guilty parties/staff members etc, may come out one day, maybe on their death beds. Then we will all tut tut say how awful those powerful people were but at least they’re all dead now, and how could we have elected leaders and worshipped celebrities like these, but it won’t happen again ever we’re sure about that ….

Well, they shouldn't!

When is Trump going to resign?

I think the question should be do friends of paedophiles have no shame.

I think we’re being given the sacrificial lambs.
I also think that if they were on the hook already, so would and could be blackmailed if their puppetmaster felt like it, they thought they might as well get something out of it.

I did think Fergie was a spectacular brown noser and shameless in the way she asked for the rent money so agree OP