Do friends of rich people have no shame?

Well he has been up to his neck in the last Labour government and this one so - you can form some ideas about their ethics.

Neither can I.

You can’t judge the whole Labour Party by Peter Mandleson.

Fergie might have slept with him few times and founds him irresistible

People who don't have the cash to support the lifestyle they feel entitled to are always on the look out for a freebie. Although this is bigger, with the number of people involved and extent of corruption, the cash for questions/Mohammed Al Fayed scandal claimed a few scalps who were happy to accept brown envelopes stuffed with cash and a free stay at the Paris Ritz. DH and I were just reminiscing last night on Jonathon Aitken and his trusty sword of truth.

"AI Overview

In April 1995, Conservative Cabinet minister Jonathan Aitken famously vowed to fight "the cancer of bent and twisted journalism" with "the simple sword of truth and the trusty shield of British fair play"
. This phrase was used to declare his libel lawsuit against The Guardian and World in Action.
The, "sword of truth" was, however, quickly cast aside when it was proven he lied regarding who paid his hotel bill at the Paris Ritz. The case collapsed in 1997, leading to his downfall, including:
Conviction: Pleading guilty to perjury and perverting the course of justice in 1999.
Imprisonment: Serving a seven-month prison sentence.
Bankruptcy: Being forced into bankruptcy following the legal defeat.
The phrase became a symbol of irony, as Aitken was, as one report stated, "impaled on" the very sword he unsheathed. "

I miss the days when one had to wait for the morning newspaper to get the latest scandal, especially on Sundays. I had friends to stay when the cash for questions broke and we bought all the papers and poured over the story. Then headed to the pub for more discussions. So much more sociable than sitting glued to one's phone for the latest update. I digress.

we are only seeing now some efforts to bring in justice and morals because society evolved a bit. But keep looking, Trump and all other men involved do everything possible to just tell us all to shut up, because cannot be real, because you see, the rich are intouchable

basically, as all rich have always been, from the dawn of time
Christianity is the only thing that put women to move secure position, elevating the role of the woman to be one wife to one man....see what happened to women, girls and boys in ancient times, all the way to even Victorian times where little girls were prostituted to the rich in London

nothing new under the sun. Aristocracy , not really. The scum of the earth

People see what they want to see. No need for the photo to be of them naked, Andrew with dildo in hand, it’s more titillating to imagine it. That’s precisely why the media is all over this - not because of genuine concern for powerless, young, expendable women, but because it’s great clickbait for people who enjoy moral outrage. It’s even been carefully contained to those who had already been painted as pantomime villains of some sort - eg Fergie the toe-sucker, Andrew the sex pest, Mandelson the “prince of darkness.” This way, we can have a good clear out of the dispensable and already dead, give the people their pantomime villains, and leave the genuinely powerful in situ.

I can’t see it either

No I’m not trying to be contrary sorry if it came across that way. I genuinely can’t see what you are on about .

Then it must be many other people here who are seeing things. Or you are deliberately being contrary.

Have a nice evening.

If it was plain view the tabloids would be all over that detail. I’ve looked again. Can’t see anything

I’d feel like a pervert if I told you where to look on the photo so I’m not going to.

The items are there though - in plain view.

This makes the most sense. Wealthy people needing to draw down funds for ‘x’ reason as opposed to just hitting up Epstein for casual loans for personal expenses.

Harsh. They have been extremely generous to Dd over the years so got a thoughtful present she would genuinely like. It’s hard to be reciprocal when financial positions are so vastly different - but certainly do not want to be seen as any sort of freeloader like bloody Prince Andrew! .

That's up to you, if you're desperate enough for them to like you. It's a bit sad though and doesn't teach your daughter much about friendship.

I can’t make out anything apart from possibly some towels

To answer the OPs question, Epstein was a (dodgy) financial adviser and investment manager who based his operations in the Virgin Islands and he was in the business of providing money (mainly private equity) so the requests for cash are not as weird as they sound although these requests appear to be far more personal than professional!

I think these requests for cash are not what they appear to be. The way they are phrased, they are not directly asking for loans, they are possibly asking for their own funds to be liquidated from tax dodging accounts linked to the Virgin Islands operation. They have been framed as loans (this was a very common tactic for people who needed to bring money onshore), but they are nothing of the sort. These wealthy people have been hiding their money and Epstein is fronting it all. How do people think he got so wealthy. Quite apart from the pedeophilia and blackmail, he was unscrupulous in business too.

Take a close look at the items on the table behind him. Amongst other things that are too difficult to make out you’ll see folded towels, a tube of cream and what I thought was a dildo (I’ve never seen one in real life) but I now know after being told on another thread is an anal dildo/butt plug with small winged handles.

I read all this Epstien stuff and he is a different animal entirely but further down the chain SF AMW and PM..well I am embarrassed for them. We see you, we know exactly what you are. They of course will not be embarrassed.

Maybe that is where I went wrong - I had no social circle to offer my old wealthy boss....!

What crime would he be in prison for?

They get something in return though as pp notices. Eg access to bigger social circles etc it’s a transaction. A very grubby, low one.