I try knickers on in shops.

Nevershoppingagaininjohnlewis · 2026-02-01T11:01:02+00:00

My other thread got derailed by this issue. I, and the friends I saw last night, all try knickers on in shops. We do this over our pants. We sometimes buy the knickers. We sometimes don't. We agreed we don't have money to burn on buying knickers that don't fit or don't look lovely or cut your bum up. We try them on as most shops don't allow you to return them for a refund. (Although you can return online) To clarify from my other thread, the JL shop assistant told me to try on the matching knickers to a bra I was purchasing, as she didn't want me to waste my money. AWBU in trying knickers on in shops and sometimes returning them to the rail? (And yes, this is one of those threads where my behaviour will not change as a result of your opinions)

Daytimenighttime · 02/02/2026 16:19

Nevershoppingagaininjohnlewis · 02/02/2026 16:08

Thank you.

I can see why you read it that way.

However you've added "in them", not me.

Something looking lovely is different to a person looking lovely in them. The implication is different.

Sorry but you said one of the reasons you tried the knickers on in the shop was because you wanted to ensure you looked lovely in them. That implies that you gave a very high opinion of yourself at the very least.

Either way, it definitely doesn't imply I've got a very high opinion of myself. That's your sad take on it.

If a clothing item looks lovely when worn, great. Be proud.

If a clothing item makes a person feel like they look lovely overall, great. Be proud.

We should acknowledge if we're happy with the way an item of clothing looks on us. That's not having a high opinion of yourself. It's acknowledging that a piece of clothing is enhancing how you feel about yourself.

We've all got our wobbly bits and body parts we try to hide. We should all have bits of our bodies we are happier with. If you don't, then that's a very depressing world to live in.

My top 3 best body parts

Eyes
Waistline reappearing
Legs are well proportioned

My worst 3 body parts

Bingo wings
Apron belly
Saggy skin on thighs

Most women, myself included, find the worst list easier to write than the best list.

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My goodness I don't think i've ever had a discussion this long about knickers in my life.
I give in. I'll bow out gracefully and leave you to it!

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Nevershoppingagaininjohnlewis · 02/02/2026 16:08

Daytimenighttime · 02/02/2026 14:45

we don't have money to burn on buying knickers that don't fit or don't look lovely or cut your bum up.
In your OP.

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Thank you.

I can see why you read it that way.

However you've added "in them", not me.

Something looking lovely is different to a person looking lovely in them. The implication is different.

Sorry but you said one of the reasons you tried the knickers on in the shop was because you wanted to ensure you looked lovely in them. That implies that you gave a very high opinion of yourself at the very least.

Either way, it definitely doesn't imply I've got a very high opinion of myself. That's your sad take on it.

If a clothing item looks lovely when worn, great. Be proud.

If a clothing item makes a person feel like they look lovely overall, great. Be proud.

We should acknowledge if we're happy with the way an item of clothing looks on us. That's not having a high opinion of yourself. It's acknowledging that a piece of clothing is enhancing how you feel about yourself.

We've all got our wobbly bits and body parts we try to hide. We should all have bits of our bodies we are happier with. If you don't, then that's a very depressing world to live in.

My top 3 best body parts

Eyes
Waistline reappearing
Legs are well proportioned

My worst 3 body parts

Bingo wings
Apron belly
Saggy skin on thighs

Most women, myself included, find the worst list easier to write than the best list.

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Daytimenighttime · 02/02/2026 15:31

BitOutOfPractice · 02/02/2026 14:57

It doesn’t imply that at all. I do like wearing nice things. That includes pants. But my entire health and hsppiness doesn’t rest on that. Although an uncomfortable pair of pants can seriously impact my enjoyment of a day.

Whereas your comment about pants being purely utilitarian implies that items of clothing merely have to serve a purpose regardless of looks and comfort.

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Well why me saying I think knickers are functional should make you automatically think I dont like any nice clothes is quite a leap imo.

I agree with you that uncomfortable knickers can impact enjoyment of a day.

Daytimenighttime · 02/02/2026 15:27

MTOandMe · 02/02/2026 14:55

Then it’s all subjective isnt it because I would absolutely class sloggi pants as the very definition of ‘ugly’ pants. I have some, I wear them when I’m on my period.

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Fair enough.
I understand it's subjective.
I mean some women actually think wearing thongs is attractive, and not unhygienic would you believe? Which amazes me. But each to their own.

BitOutOfPractice · 02/02/2026 14:57

Daytimenighttime · 02/02/2026 14:31

Not really no.

life is too short to wear ugly pants every day
certainly implies you need nice knickers to make your day go well.

Not that it's of any importance here but I don't wear " ugly pants". I wear black sloggi knickers and have done for years . They may be boring but they are functional and not " ugly". So your jibe about " grey boiler suits" is a bit wide of the mark. Again, imo .

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It doesn’t imply that at all. I do like wearing nice things. That includes pants. But my entire health and hsppiness doesn’t rest on that. Although an uncomfortable pair of pants can seriously impact my enjoyment of a day.

Whereas your comment about pants being purely utilitarian implies that items of clothing merely have to serve a purpose regardless of looks and comfort.

MTOandMe · 02/02/2026 14:55

Daytimenighttime · 02/02/2026 14:31

Not really no.

life is too short to wear ugly pants every day
certainly implies you need nice knickers to make your day go well.

Not that it's of any importance here but I don't wear " ugly pants". I wear black sloggi knickers and have done for years . They may be boring but they are functional and not " ugly". So your jibe about " grey boiler suits" is a bit wide of the mark. Again, imo .

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Then it’s all subjective isnt it because I would absolutely class sloggi pants as the very definition of ‘ugly’ pants. I have some, I wear them when I’m on my period.

thesecondmrsdewinter20 · 02/02/2026 14:52

If I’m buying nice knickers I’d try on over my pants. If I’m buying a multipack (more likely) I wouldn’t try on because you can’t really can you? In either case I’d always, always wash new knickers before wearing them. I once read about clothes being treated with formaldehyde and would never not wash new knickers after that.

JayJayj · 02/02/2026 14:48

Some of these responses must be trolls surely. Either in the internet sense or looks. I can’t imagine any other reason why they’d be so upset because some women want to look nice in underwear! 🤷🏻‍♀️

JayJayj · 02/02/2026 14:47

Daytimenighttime · 02/02/2026 14:22

Sorry but you said one of the reasons you tried the knickers on in the shop was because you wanted to ensure you looked lovely in them. That implies that you gave a very high opinion of yourself at the very least.

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I mean, that’s what I do too. Why would I (or anyone) buy knickers that either didn’t fit or flatter my body?
If you don’t care what you look like then good for you. But if I’m spending a decent amount on knickers I want them to be right.

Daytimenighttime · 02/02/2026 14:45

Nevershoppingagaininjohnlewis · 02/02/2026 14:32

Can you show me where please?

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we don't have money to burn on buying knickers that don't fit or don't look lovely or cut your bum up.
In your OP.

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Nevershoppingagaininjohnlewis · 02/02/2026 14:32

Daytimenighttime · 02/02/2026 14:22

Sorry but you said one of the reasons you tried the knickers on in the shop was because you wanted to ensure you looked lovely in them. That implies that you gave a very high opinion of yourself at the very least.

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Can you show me where please?

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Daytimenighttime · 02/02/2026 14:31

BitOutOfPractice · 02/02/2026 14:06

That’s quite a leap you’ve made there isn’t it? 🙄

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Not really no.

life is too short to wear ugly pants every day
certainly implies you need nice knickers to make your day go well.

Not that it's of any importance here but I don't wear " ugly pants". I wear black sloggi knickers and have done for years . They may be boring but they are functional and not " ugly". So your jibe about " grey boiler suits" is a bit wide of the mark. Again, imo .

SwingTheMonkey · 02/02/2026 14:28

Daytimenighttime · 02/02/2026 14:22

Sorry but you said one of the reasons you tried the knickers on in the shop was because you wanted to ensure you looked lovely in them. That implies that you gave a very high opinion of yourself at the very least.

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God, no it doesn’t. There really is nothing wrong with looking in the mirror and thinking you look lovely in something. You’ve got some really odd ideas.

Daytimenighttime · 02/02/2026 14:22

Nevershoppingagaininjohnlewis · 02/02/2026 14:13

Erm, I didn't say that.

Totally agree with you @LordofMisrule1

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Sorry but you said one of the reasons you tried the knickers on in the shop was because you wanted to ensure you looked lovely in them. That implies that you gave a very high opinion of yourself at the very least.

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Nevershoppingagaininjohnlewis · 02/02/2026 14:13

Daytimenighttime · 02/02/2026 11:26

Narcissism is when people have an unreasonably high sense of their own importance,

I was thinking very much of the myth about Narcissus: seeing his reflection in the pool and falling in love with himself because he looked so beautiful.
That's what sprang to mind when OP talked about looking at herself in the changing room mirror and thinking how lovely she looked in a pair of knickers.

when I've dressed up in something that really suits me and put some makeup on and done my hair I do look in the mirror before going out and think 'yeah, I look really pretty today'.
I think that's reasonable. And vastly different from what you posted earlier about looking in the mirror and thinking you look beautiful and gorgeous.

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Erm, I didn't say that.

Totally agree with you @LordofMisrule1

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BitOutOfPractice · 02/02/2026 14:06

Daytimenighttime · 02/02/2026 13:02

You've made a bit of a leap there haven't you ?

If your daily happiness depends on your choice knickers then it actually sounds quite sad.

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That’s quite a leap you’ve made there isn’t it? 🙄

BeanQuisine · 02/02/2026 13:53

Knicker wars still raging I see.

Molly bickers over knickers
With her mate who thinks she's grim,
Tries them on in Next and Primark
She don't care for manners prim.

She'll leave residues and skidmarks
On the poshest pair of drawers,
In John Lewis where the queue is,
Come and join the knicker wars!

Daytimenighttime · 02/02/2026 13:02

BitOutOfPractice · 02/02/2026 12:56

So do you just wear a grey utilitarian boiler suit every day because it’s functional.

life is too short to wear ugly pants every day.

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You've made a bit of a leap there haven't you ?

If your daily happiness depends on your choice knickers then it actually sounds quite sad.

BitOutOfPractice · 02/02/2026 12:56

Daytimenighttime · 01/02/2026 20:37

I can't believe that any one would try knickers on before they buy them.
And trying them on and returning them to the rail is just gross.

But there again buying knickers because they " look lovely" is just so self indulgent it's untrue. Just how vain are some people?

Knickers are knickers for heaven's sake. They serve a function.

So do you just wear a grey utilitarian boiler suit every day because it’s functional.

life is too short to wear ugly pants every day.

Daytimenighttime · 02/02/2026 12:54

SwingTheMonkey · 02/02/2026 12:40

Thinking you look beautiful isn’t vain! You’ve got some very odd ideas. Are you from a generation that frowned upon women with good self esteem?

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I think good self esteem is very important and actually vital in order to have a happy, successful and fulfilled life.

But looking in the mirror and knowing you have made the best of your appearance before you leave the house is so vastly different from looking in the mirror and thinking" aren't I beautiful". That is nothing to do with self esteem and everything to do with ego and vanity. And an attitude that smacks of superiority.

No wonder everyday life is so difficult these days with all the self obsessed people in it expecting others to kowtow to them because they are so beautiful- in their own estimation at least.

SwingTheMonkey · 02/02/2026 12:40

Daytimenighttime · 02/02/2026 12:37

There is a world of difference.

It's the difference between those who are quietly confident in how they present themselves and those who are totally vain and egocentric.

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Thinking you look beautiful isn’t vain! You’ve got some very odd ideas. Are you from a generation that frowned upon women with good self esteem?

Daytimenighttime · 02/02/2026 12:37

SwingTheMonkey · 02/02/2026 12:31

That’s just semantics. Thinking yourself attractive is no different to thinking yourself beautiful or gorgeous.

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There is a world of difference.

It's the difference between those who are quietly confident in how they present themselves and those who are totally vain and egocentric.

SwingTheMonkey · 02/02/2026 12:34

I’m still interested in how it’s different to trying on a pair of leggings in a shop - which I’ve definitely done myself…

ShowMeTheSea · 02/02/2026 12:34

YABU
Manky

Rosealea · 02/02/2026 12:32

That's disgusting