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To disagree with the argument from some recent feminists that having a nanny is automatically 'exploiting a poor woman's labour'?

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Carla786 · 30/01/2026 18:36

I've seen this point from several so-called 'reactionary feminists' recently (major ones are Mary Harrington, Louise Perry, Nina Power- basically former radical feminists who now keep some of their old ideas but argue that women need to return to traditional sexual, childcare etc norms at least to some extent), especially Mary Harrington.
I think it's over-simplistic and unhelpful on several counts. For one, an woman employed as a nanny isn't necessarily a low-income woman forced into it by economic necessity. Some, eg Norland Nannies enter it specifically because they're interested and are often from financially stable backgrounds with other options open. Obviously Norland Nannies aren't the typical nanny but it feels patronising for a supposed 'feminist' to ignore that some women do want to do this job.

There definitely is an issue with women being employed as nannies from poorer countries like the Philippines and exploited- paid unfair wages, sometimes physically abused even. I read Ben Judah's This Is London recently and he had a whole chapter of interviews with Filipina Nannies which was very eye-opening on this.
But I think it's more difficult to blanketly dismiss any poor woman working as an overseas nanny as being exploited by a middle-class woman. If a poor woman has few options where she lives, with little prospect of government improvement (which is the case in some places) and can make money to potentially give her children a better education/life etc by working as a nanny overseas, it's a terrible situation- but is she necessarily being exploited if her employer pays her fairly and treats her well?

Calling difficult choices wrong and unfair is one thing, but exploitation seems a bit strong to apply to all cases, and also in a sense patronising to women. If a poor man made difficult choices to try to improve his family's situation by working overseas, would an employer who treated him fairly be automatically termed exploitative?

I suppose maybe these women like Harrington (who herself says she uses childcare) are trying to make a more structural point that women's work often depends on poorer women needing to work as Nannies due to economic problems, even if the women individually treat their Nannies well generally. I'm still doubtful though as that ignores the large number of Nannies who aren't poor and/or overseas workers.

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Pentalagon · 30/01/2026 19:01

Incidentally I think the increase in parents of both sexes working from home is a really interesting socio cultural shift

Pentalagon · 30/01/2026 19:00

How is that different from a man employing, say a gardener?

Pre Industrial Revolution, men largely worked the land around homes, they had often built themselves. During the IR there was a shift where a significant proportion of men (and women and children) worked away from their homes for money, which was then used to pay for commodities (food, fuel) that would previously have been the direct product of their own labour.

So when a man who works, employs a tradesman (a lower paid worker than himself, possibly of foreign extraction) to build an extension, fix the plumbing, paint, or dig his garden, is that also exploitative?

I’m not an MRA, but I can’t see what’s different when it’s women.

Carla786 · 30/01/2026 18:59

Yes...I think with Mary Harrington, she's probably thinking about women who work as nannies overseas due to poverty at home, and it's part of an emotive narrative that 'middle class women in UK are neglecting their childcare duties to work while employing poor women for childcare who are unable to see their own children for months on end'. Which obviously chimes with her narrative that women need to return to traditional roles. But it's obviously flawed.

It could surely be argued from a feminist perspective that while it's horrible to have to work as an overseas nanny and not be able to see your kids, Western women not employing overseas nannies wouldn't fix the issue. And a beneficial side-effect of the situation could be that earning power & travel to England gives women from poor countries more independence than they might potentially have otherwise as Sahms.

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Ohthatsabitshit · 30/01/2026 18:57

It sounds more like a poor start to a campaign to “prove” surrogacy as acceptable. Of course paying for childcare is not intrinsically exploitation.

Oopsylazy · 30/01/2026 18:54

It seems a bit of a weird take.

I mean, isn’t feminism all about getting back to work/having a career and not being tied to the home. In which case we need people who are willing to look after children for a living.

And if I was a nanny or nursery worker I wouldn’t take kindly to people thinking I was being exploited!

Viviennemary · 30/01/2026 18:52

Its ridiculous. So are cleaners gardners or even going for a coffee. You could make it yourself.

Idontspeakgermansorry · 30/01/2026 18:51

If that were true, then surely anyone paying someone poorer than them to do a job would be exploiting them?

notquiteruralbliss · 30/01/2026 18:51

Nannies aren't badly paid - at least not in my area (leafy home counties)

Carla786 · 30/01/2026 18:48

FlatErica · 30/01/2026 18:44

It’s only exploitation if you don’t pay them enough and make them work under shit conditions.

Exactly.

I suppose maybe these writers are thinking more about women who work as childcare workers in nurseries, who may be less likely to want to do the job from interest in childcare etc & more likely to do it due to lack of other options. But obviously this isn't true for a lot of nursery workers, and it still doesn't necessarily equal exploitation.

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FlatErica · 30/01/2026 18:44

It’s only exploitation if you don’t pay them enough and make them work under shit conditions.

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