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To think a therapist with a personality disorder is concerning?

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TherapistKnot · 29/01/2026 18:55

I won’t say how I know this therapist, but I will say I know them very well. I know this person has read Mumsnet in the past, so I do not want to out myself. This therapist charges a premium hourly rate, and specialises in working with vulnerable people (including children) which I think makes this even more concerning.

The therapist in question has a long history, going back to childhood, of severe mental illness. This includes multiple suicide attempts (some very recent) and several diagnosed mental illnesses, including a personality disorder. I won’t say which, again for fear of outing myself or this individual. They have also been investigated by social services and the police on numerous occasions, again spanning decades, due to the behaviour they have exhibited as a result of their poor mental health. In the past year, they were investigated by social services, who found that they are emotionally manipulative, abusive and dishonest. This report was then sent to the father’s of her children (she has multiple children with different fathers, I believe this is also part of her mental illness and self-destruction). As a result of this, one of the father’s took her to court and she lost custody of one of her children…she is allowed contact with them but the child has been put in the care of their father.

Throughout the years I have gently asked if they feel any of this impacts their role as a therapist. The person in question has said that they are very good at separating their personal and work life, and that they would never behave poorly towards a client. However, I fail to see how all of this cannot materially affect their work as it has such a profound impact on their daily life and those around them. I would be horrified if I was paying an exorbitant amount (or even seeing her for free) with all of this background knowledge.

I have researched it and it appears that therapists can operate unchecked, there does not appear to be any safeguards, effectively anyone can become a self-employed therapist. Yes it is up to clients to do their due diligence - for example I would request a DBS - but there is nobody overseeing therapists and therefore there would be no way for a client to have access to any of this information.

AIBU to think this is wrong and that anyone working with vulnerable people needs to be on some sort of register or have some sort of governing body?

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Verytall · 29/01/2026 22:18

freudenschaude · 29/01/2026 22:12

This is absolutely not true. An enhanced DBS does not show any record of anything the subject has been a victim of.

I have a clean enhanced DBS and have also been a victim of more than one reported crime. My experience as a victim does not show on my DBS, it’s entirely irrelevant and consenting to a DBS check does not give consent to this information being revealed.

It is true, and the fact that yours doesn't, doesn't prove my statement is wrong. I supported a friend and colleague who ended up in a serious DV relationship whilst working in a safeguarding role. It included the ex making counter allegations, along with stalking and harassment. She didn't show me the DBS but she did tell me some of it was on her doc, presumably because there was the potential for impact to those she worked with if an employer wasn't aware and properly protecting her.
(Fortunately our employer has very good at how they supported her through it, he hung around our offices more than once)

Edit: to add it's not common, in case anyone reading this is worried - it is situation specific/discretionary according to risk as to whether it's included.

Verytall · 29/01/2026 22:14

Haveyouanyjam · 29/01/2026 21:59

This is absolute rubbish. As someone who has worked in secure mental health services and prisons, personality disorders absolutely do exist, and have clear diagnostic criteria. If you have worked with someone with PD, you’d know.

I've also worked with many people with various different PD, and quite a few psychiatrists and clin psychs who also think the PD diagnoses are problematic tbf. I mean, being gay used to be in the DSM, and that had a list of diagnostic criteria too.
That's not to say the people who are diagnosed with them don't have difficulties, but they can be a bit of an umbrella/dumping ground (EUPD in particular)

freudenschaude · 29/01/2026 22:12

Verytall · 29/01/2026 21:40

Then you clearly don't know what can be included on an enhanced DBS. It can include details of being a victim, not 'just' a criminal. And because it's a PRIVATE document. Do you think I should show you my medical record on demand because they're innocuous?

This is absolutely not true. An enhanced DBS does not show any record of anything the subject has been a victim of.

I have a clean enhanced DBS and have also been a victim of more than one reported crime. My experience as a victim does not show on my DBS, it’s entirely irrelevant and consenting to a DBS check does not give consent to this information being revealed.

tipsyraven · 29/01/2026 22:11

TherapistKnot · 29/01/2026 20:59

What would reporting them achieve? Does this body have any powers of investigation?

I think they can strike someone off but I can’t imagine it is easy to prove the sort of allegations you are making. I don’t know what other avenue you could take but expect someone here would be able to tell you.

TheFTrain · 29/01/2026 22:09

I also know a therapist whose had 2 of her younger children removed from her care and her older children are NC with her.

Another therapist who I used to work with (in a totally different industry, prior to her becoming a therapist) was the most horrendous bully. Now, amongst other things, she helps people with work related issues. I nearly spat my coffee out when I read that. She's also been accused of racism.

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 29/01/2026 22:06

TherapistKnot · 29/01/2026 21:46

The bar for social services removal is extremely high, as you’re probably aware,
many children live in abusive households and nothing is done. I’m almost positive if all the other fathers applied for custody (and weren’t completely unsuitable or unstable themselves) they’d likely win custody based on the findings against her.

Yes and IF the one child were removed for abuse as you’ve alleged, then they would have removed ALL the children, ergo there was no removal due to abuse. HTH

hiyacloudsandstars · 29/01/2026 22:04

Unfortunately until she does something very unprofessional or gains a criminal record. She is free to practice.

I do believe people with lived experienced can bring a wealth of knowledge and genuine empathy to thr profession. However, some should stay clear of working in a caring profession if they cannot cope.

Haveyouanyjam · 29/01/2026 21:59

Theonlywayicanloveyou · 29/01/2026 21:32

Came to say this first part. They basically don’t exist - they are a ‘complicated life, can’t really explain it’ dumping ground when support is unavailable. Usually lead to the person being drugged into submission.

This is absolute rubbish. As someone who has worked in secure mental health services and prisons, personality disorders absolutely do exist, and have clear diagnostic criteria. If you have worked with someone with PD, you’d know.

Squirrelchops1 · 29/01/2026 21:57

Every therapist I know has their own issues.

ilovesooty · 29/01/2026 21:57

Verytall · 29/01/2026 21:56

@ilovesooty does that include enhanced now? I know it was being considered, it was only basic which doesn't mean much when working with vulnerable groups (we had this issue when recruiting people who could cover a children's hobby class!)

Yes, it does include enhanced.

Nutmuncher · 29/01/2026 21:56

I know of one woman who claims to be a therapist and counsellor, incredibly intelligent and charismatic but an absolute narcissist bordering on being a sociopath. I cringe and shudder whenever I imagine her interacting with patients, it’s unfathomable that anyone would willingly choose to see her more than once.

Verytall · 29/01/2026 21:56

@ilovesooty does that include enhanced now? I know it was being considered, it was only basic which doesn't mean much when working with vulnerable groups (we had this issue when recruiting people who could cover a children's hobby class!)

ilovesooty · 29/01/2026 21:56

TherapistKnot · 29/01/2026 21:41

You cannot get an enhanced DBS when you are self-employed so that is a moot point.

Yes you can.

ilovesooty · 29/01/2026 21:53

Verytall · 29/01/2026 21:18

Personality disorders as a concept are known to be problematic, they're essentially a grouping of personality traits, usually shaped by childhood experience, that are felt to cause issues. They are not necessarily fixed/permanent and how they affect someone can change over time depending on their maturity and life circumstances. So I wouldn't consider it a barrier to being a therapist.

Any therapist employed by an organisation, such as NHS or CAMHS, would have to go through the required checks of their organisation. It is problematic that it isn't a protected title and anyone can set themselves up independently - however there are bodies that therapists can voluntarily register with, BACP being the main one for those involved in traditional mental health/counselling work, and it's imperative that anyone seeking a therapist does those checks. A client has no right to request a DBS though, and DBSs are checks requested by employers so if someone is fully self employed they have no route to have a DBS anyway!

You can apply for an enhanced DBS yourself via an umbrella organisation.

Verytall · 29/01/2026 21:51

TherapistKnot · 29/01/2026 21:46

The bar for social services removal is extremely high, as you’re probably aware,
many children live in abusive households and nothing is done. I’m almost positive if all the other fathers applied for custody (and weren’t completely unsuitable or unstable themselves) they’d likely win custody based on the findings against her.

Custody is not the same as social services removal. What you've said wasn't removal. It was dad exercising his parental right, and dad initiating court, not social services.

Id be careful OP it seems like you know a little but you're adding 2+2 and getting 500.

Verytall · 29/01/2026 21:48

TherapistKnot · 29/01/2026 21:41

You cannot get an enhanced DBS when you are self-employed so that is a moot point.

You're making even less sense now... None of the things you've mentioned as your concerns for working with children in your OP would have any bearing on a 'standard' DBS, so why did you even reference them as something that your therapist 'friend' should have and be providing?

You can easily check in the person you are concerned about is registered with BACP or any other voluntary body and each will have their own policy about if/how they deal with concerns about anyone they have registered. BACP are the biggest and most stringent I think, some others (the more 'woo' therapy types) less so.

TherapistKnot · 29/01/2026 21:46

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 29/01/2026 21:44

On the other hand, if even one child were in danger such that social services took them away, they would have taken ALL her children. The fact she is resident parent for most of her children, means the one child ended up with the dad for another reason. Perhaps the child expressed a wish to live with their dad?

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The bar for social services removal is extremely high, as you’re probably aware,
many children live in abusive households and nothing is done. I’m almost positive if all the other fathers applied for custody (and weren’t completely unsuitable or unstable themselves) they’d likely win custody based on the findings against her.

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SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 29/01/2026 21:44

TherapistKnot · 29/01/2026 21:26

A judge isn’t going to make an order that a child is in the sole custody of one parent and only has minimal contact with the other if there aren’t serious issues. Judges usually push for equal custody or at least some sort of shared custody.

On the other hand, if even one child were in danger such that social services took them away, they would have taken ALL her children. The fact she is resident parent for most of her children, means the one child ended up with the dad for another reason. Perhaps the child expressed a wish to live with their dad?

Diynovice81 · 29/01/2026 21:42

@TherapistKnot I think they can only ask for medical records etc if the counsellor disclosed that they have mental health issues. But if she isn't registered with them then obviously she won't need to disclose anything to them.

TherapistKnot · 29/01/2026 21:41

Verytall · 29/01/2026 21:40

Then you clearly don't know what can be included on an enhanced DBS. It can include details of being a victim, not 'just' a criminal. And because it's a PRIVATE document. Do you think I should show you my medical record on demand because they're innocuous?

You cannot get an enhanced DBS when you are self-employed so that is a moot point.

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Verytall · 29/01/2026 21:40

TherapistKnot · 29/01/2026 21:38

If you are working with vulnerable clients charging a lot of money for services, why wouldn’t you be happy to show it? It doesn’t show any personal details and if clear it just says ‘no records’. There’s zero reason not to show someone one, unless you do have some sort of criminal history.

Then you clearly don't know what can be included on an enhanced DBS. It can include details of being a victim, not 'just' a criminal. And because it's a PRIVATE document. Do you think I should show you my medical record on demand because they're innocuous?

Verytall · 29/01/2026 21:38

Curious OP as to what the relationship is between you and this person that you are so sure you know they pose a risk to their old child and to others? Why haven't you reported them to social services if you're so sure? It doesn't sound at all like you have an axe to grind.

TherapistKnot · 29/01/2026 21:38

Verytall · 29/01/2026 21:36

I mean you can ask, it's not like anyone is going to prosecute you for it, but they've no requirement to show one to you - or to have one, if they're fully self employed.

If for example you employ a tutor through an agency, the agency only have to confirm that they have done the relevant checks.
If you employ a tutor on a private basis you don't have any right to see a DBS, if they have one. If they have shown one to you I can only assume that they've got it through other employment and they're doing what they can you to get work. I wouldn't ever show mine to a private individual on principle though, it's not a precedent that should be set, they're highly private documents.

If you are working with vulnerable clients charging a lot of money for services, why wouldn’t you be happy to show it? It doesn’t show any personal details and if clear it just says ‘no records’. There’s zero reason not to show someone one, unless you do have some sort of criminal history.

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Verytall · 29/01/2026 21:36

TherapistKnot · 29/01/2026 21:26

It isn’t true that only employers can request DBS. I’ve hired many nanny’s, cleaners, tutors etc over the years and all have been able to produce a DBS.

I mean you can ask, it's not like anyone is going to prosecute you for it, but they've no requirement to show one to you - or to have one, if they're fully self employed.

If for example you employ a tutor through an agency, the agency only have to confirm that they have done the relevant checks.
If you employ a tutor on a private basis you don't have any right to see a DBS, if they have one. If they have shown one to you I can only assume that they've got it through other employment and they're doing what they can you to get work. I wouldn't ever show mine to a private individual on principle though, it's not a precedent that should be set, they're highly private documents.