to feel uneasy about what this means long term rather than surprised by the weight regain itself?

Don’t you mean participation is voluntary?

What I don’t understand with these ‘debates’ is what do people hope to achieve from them?

WLI can have side effects. Yep. And? So do lots of drugs.

WLI are expensive and you might need to stay on them for life. Yep. Someone using them can either choose to keep paying for them or they’ll have to come off it and hope to continue with their new way of life, maintaining their new weight. Some might put weight back on.

Some people abuse them and either shouldn’t be using them or buy from the black market. Yep. The same as with a lot of other drugs.

All of these things are true. Nobody is disputing that. But what are you hoping to get out of the debate? That the posters who have had incredible success using the drug will say ‘You know, what? You’re right. I’ll stop using the drug immediately!’ It’s so utterly fucking pointless. It seems like there’s a group of people who are so incensed that these drugs exist and are working, that they are absolutely desperate to shout about the latest negative thing they’ve read about them in the hope they’ll disappear and the fatties will get fat again…

If you're so utterly unruffled, it is puzzling why you have felt the need to make so many snide little comments.

As you so pleasantly said earlier:

God alone knows. Well him and you. Anyway I’m going to stop interacting with you. I wouldn’t even look your way in real life.

And as I said: please do stop quoting me and making bizarre statements.

Yes. Being obese made me miserable and hate myself. I'm healthy now so too right I'll stand up for the thing that enables that. I don't see what 'debate' is needed about a licensed medication being prescribed. I'm incredibly grateful for it and will continue to judge you for thinking that maximising my healthy years of life is up for 'debate'.

I think you misinterpreted and likely did your own projection. I’m not remotely threatened and I quite enjoy the threads, if I didn’t I’d not engage,

and I’m not envious bitter etc, I’m on the drugs, I went from a bmi of 32 to 20, no side effects, I feel fantastic, and I’m staying on a low maintenance dose , been maintaning for nearly 11 months, weight very stable, can easily afford and doing it for all the health benefits the drugs bring,

I don’t think anyone on the drugs who has a fabulous result, which is the vast majority of people feels envy or resentment to those not on them. I can’t understand your logic in thinking that.

Yes I think you are right Binus

i don’t generally come on these threads and am shit with names so quite often miss patterns of behaviour

Personally I don't mind these threads, they interest me. But I do think people aren't always aware of the context they're choosing to wade into. You have to be on them pretty regularly to observe some of the worst offending behaviour, as a lot of it gets deleted so there's no record. There was an absolute corker of a thread the other week where someone utterly lost the run of herself and started calling people on WLIs bad mothers, for example.

And obviously the people with the greatest interest in WLIs are those of us who are taking or considering them. So you end up with two groups. WLI thread regulars who have seen poor behaviour from people claiming to have concerns etc, and people who don't follow the subject on MN generally but whose interest has been piqued by a news article or thread title.

The fact that people on WLI repeatedly interpret anyone trying to have a discussion about a massive worldwide occurrence as being "jealous and resentful" is baffling to me. I can only conclude all of these accusations are projection of your (collective) envy, bitterness, and also anger, and aggression - which do come out in full force on these threads.

Why are you so threatened by a discussion?

Like so many women, I gained weight when DC were younger, having been whippet thin all my life. It was, as is the case for millions of women, the result of a perfect storm of the factors we all know. Never having known 'food noise', I was suddenly drowning in it. And it was miserable. I yo-yo ketoed, HFLCed, IFed to pre-DC weight and always ended up overweight again, following considerable losses. I just couldn't manage to sustain maintaining.

In my case, a spell of extreme stress and subsequent grief caused me to drop a lot of weight over the course of 6 months. I've since been maintaining for a long time due to a realisation that I'll never be able to return to anything resembling the 'normal' I knew, ever: there'll never be a happy resting place of comfortable maintaining, just endless days in perpetuity of low-carbing and intermittent fasting, eating foods that don't really resemble 'meals' in a traditional sense, but rather studiously curated selections of items, the primary purpose of which is to fuel. 'Naturally thin' friends in my age bracket and demographic already lived like this, it turns out, I'd just not noticed.

If WLIs take the drudgery out of initial loss and subsequent maintaining, why not take them, or at the very least support other women who take them? And if a tablet or oral liquid form become the norm in the future, even better, as the plastic and sharps waste, and subsequent possible chemical landfill contamination, linked to WLIs in their current injectable iteration is worrying. I hope for a time when we're managing weight, including maintaining, by whatever healthy means and nobody suffers unnecessarily.

I could probably benefit from using them for a while but I’m always a bit wary of new drugs, especially as
it is too soon for long term side affects to be known. Plus I couldn’t afford to pay for something like this long term. I don’t think I know anyone personally who takes them.

Of course people will discuss it. There is a thread nearly every day on here from jeakous and resentful people about these drugs. Weight is something many people are totally mentally messed up over. Their own and other people’s.

and now there is a cure that is not widely available unless you can afford it. And it will bring out envy, resentment, etc from those who want it but can’t afford , those who have to work hard to stay a healthy weight, and think people on the drugs don’t need to work hard, or those who are a bit fat or chubby and are not eligible,

weight is a really contentious topic for many, I suspect you’re one of them.

Yes absolutely can be

friend of mine is currently very overweight and when she loses a bit of weight her blood sugers do improve, she is yo yoing though, she is very petite and a foodie (not greedy as such but enjoys cooking and baking at pretty much a professional standard)

she knows it works though so is really trying hard to keep her weight low enough

Oh, right, but for the most part prediabetes and insulin resistance is reversed through diet and exercise and weight loss.

Insulin Resistance & Prediabetes - NIDDK

And although you did really well reversing it with diet and exercise, honest congratulations there

it wasnt a lifetime issue…

People should stop engaging. I mean who actually cares if some random sitting at home, hiding behind a screen is getting their jollies from furiously posting on line how it’s their own fault people are fat.

I mean sure, sometimes it is, sometimes it’s mental or physical health issues that cause it.

who cares. Whatever bracket you fall into, there is a miraculous new drug out fhere which can help you become slim and healthy and stay that way.

it’s all good people.

Bloody hell…see!!!!

post went two seconds ago 😀😀😀

Insulin resistance is self-created, behaviourally, and can be reversed, behaviourally through diet, weight loss and exercise

Right number 1

i should not have got sweary so apologies for that….though i did ask mumsnet to remove it, ideally before anyone read it 😀 so it will disappear any moment probably

your comment above is wrong, and this is the sort of thing that annoys people, there are issues that cause insulin resistance which are not self created, I have 2 of them. It is also very hard to reverse it through diet and exercise, not impossible but quite obviously more difficult to do in someone with those issues than without then

Some folks will be able to use them to shed a few stone that has slowly built up over years of average diet and lack of exercise, or as in the case with a family member they have MS or similar and extremely limited mobility so calorie burn is difficult to manage and they slowly gain weight. Said family member has shed 3 stone that would otherwise have been impossible to lose without MJ, she’s off them now and time will tell how quickly the weight ‘piles back on’ but her diet is good in the sense she’s not an unhealthy overeater.

For others who suffer with food noise, gut dysfunction, binge eating, metabolism issues and so on the likelihood is they may need long term help in order to maintain.

Exactly

I'll tell you what. I'll let others come to their own conclusions about the motivations of the care brigade. But at 18.20 yesterday the 'self-inflicted' debate was raging. Feel free to scroll back.

I neither know or care about people's weight. I care about their behaviour and what it reveals.

Please point out where anyone has said or indicated they thought "fat people" deserve to be fat.

And how is it you know the weight of people posting?

Yes they have. But it's fine. I called myself far worse every time I woke up 18 months ago. They'd rather we all pretend they're concerned or care. Anyone who can't appreciate that weight gain isn't some moral failure that's due to a lack of restraint is saying obese people deserve to be obese. I appreciate people don't like being called out on the impact of their words. I'm too old and fed up to pretend that they are motivated by concern for my health rather than the fact they hate the idea that I had proper medical support to make it possible.