To think we shouldn’t have to contribute to soch if we don’t intend to use it?

It’s been called National Insurance since it was introduced in 1911…

Many people are not net contributors. The estimate is you have to pay 17k alone in taxes per year to be a net contributor.

If you earn 32 grand and have 3 kids, you're taking more out of the system than you're putting in.

If you earn 150 grand with no kids, you're taking less out of the system than you put in.

The purpose of the tax system we have is so those who are working in lower paid, necessary jobs, and having children, for example, are not at a significant disadvantage for doing so. Thus UC that tops up wages, payments towards childcare, etc. Its not a perfect system but it's better than every man or woman for himself like you seem to think.

The correct phrase is actually "from the gecko", OP.

Why don’t you want a state pension?

😂@FrodoBiggins

"Soch. Have you heard of the word soch? It's a beautiful word. The greatest word. Nobody had ever heard of the word soch before but I found the word."

Calm down Donald!

Tity-based stuff aside, are you pronouncing ‘soch’ (or ‘sosh’) to rhyme with ‘gauche’ or with ‘gosh’?

I now think that the OP was attempting to write the first syllable of "social", but I'm not sure how I would try and spell it.

Not Soch (rhymes with notch) or Sosh (rhymes with nosh).

So...how?

Soesh?

I have no idea what Soch/Sosh is & your explanation doesn't fit the letters used so am very confused.
But do I get a rebate as my husband died at 46 he had worked since he was 12 (whilst at school) & hasn't used the NHS for ages & obviously won't claim any state pension - due to the fact I was younger I don't get a widow's pension.
Oh I limited the number of children I had as well to what I could afford (would have loved more) - can I get a rebate there as well please as I see lots of people having children that the state helps support.
It's ridiculous & the costs to administer would be more than anyone actually saved - but also the idea is just abhorrent

Trumpian, wasn't it 😂

Where did I leave that box of frogs ?
🐸🐸🐸🐸🐸🐸🐸

I had no idea, I don't live in the UK (and before you think of moving here you can't opt out here either). Incidentally when I Googled it I got the same search results as pps have mentioned, nothing at all about social security.

Surely should be Natty Cons, like Platty Jubs?

I haven't been to the GPs in 10 years, do I get a discount for the next 10 years? My brother never had children, surely he and his wife are due a huge refund, no antenatal care, birth etc to pay for not to mention 12+ years of schooling.

Don't be silly.

Precisely - because the social contract means that even if we don’t have children of our own, we invest in other people’s - because they will be the doctors, the nurses, the policemen working to loo after me and me and/or my children in future decades. We pay to educate them, we pay to keep them safe, we pay to keep them healthy - not because we have children ourselves but because they will form the economic and social centre of the society I will age into.

Okay, but I don't have children and don't want children, therefore I don't want to pay for anything that supports children then - so that should be fine by your logic? I'm not planning to put children through school, therefore I shouldn't have to pay for children to go to school.

I also don't claim benefits, never have and nor will I ever, therefore I don't want my taxes to support other people in such a way. So I'll pay less then to that system.

Part of being a member of society is contributing to its general running, whether you benefit from all those things or not. Before you get on at me, I am a higher rate tax payer too. But I'm happy for my tax money to support children's education, to support those who need a safety net, to support NHS treatment for all those who need it in the UK and to fund the state pension. With the expectation that if I ever need any of those services, I am also entitled to use it.

That's part of the social contract. Go live off grid and forage for berries if you don't like it.

Ooooooh so you think it is meant to be pronounced like gauche with an s? Like the first syllable of social?

That makes all the difference! Only joking OP you're still selfish and have no idea how the country works.

@slozenger so who would treat you if you needed emergency surgery?

No. Its a social contract that as a member of the current working age population, you support the elderly who are no longer able to work. Some people will work and contribute till age 59 then drop dead of cancer & won't ever be in the position to benefit from the next generation of working age people to support them, it is what it is.

This passed me by bit slots nearly into the list of terrible words, along with holibobs, moist and hubby.

'think you’ll find I know how to spell it the MOST'😂