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Schools asking for parental contributions

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ButamIwhoyouthinkIam · 27/01/2026 19:40

I’m sure this one will be divisive and is partly down to personal politics but I’m interested in the consensus.

state funded primary, good catchment, in deficit, like many others.

email last week to suggest a voluntary contribution from parents to cover essential materials, lays out case etc. but already have quite a few requests annually for enrichment and also trips. Has active PTA and most families donate to this through usual calendar of events.

email sets out rising costs of utilities etc and asks parents to plug the gap. I’m not sure this is the right solution for something that is inherently gov funded and it feels like a slippery slope.

IABU: it’s reasonable for schools to ask this and for parents to be happy to pay

YABU: a different option eg lobbying gov or showing the deficit would be more reasonable. Contributing financially allows the funding problem to be hidden

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MajorProcrastination · 28/01/2026 10:42

I'm a governor at a school in a community where our parents can't afford to make donations or fundraise through a PTA, it's quite the opposite with a charity that the school works in partnership with having a food pantry, uniforms, laundrette etc.

We are in a deficit budget (which we've smashed down from where it was predicted to be), as are MANY other schools in our local authority, the vast majority in similar areas of deprivation. We do not receive enough money to provide the basic and essential staffing structure that we need due to the very high levels of ALN. We have many children with IDPs that require them to have 1:1 or other support like check ins, being met at the gate by an adult etc. We don't get enough money from the LA to pay for all the adults our children need to make them all feel safe and supported. The majority of the budget goes straight to salaries. We have sliced the amount spent on the building and on materials, we've cut back on trips and swimming and all sorts of other things that our children and our staff deserve to have, we've had to limit our breakfast club (which makes me so angry because we have so many children who really need it - they don't go hungry but they can't all attend and be better regulated before school starts - we get money from Welsh Gov for the breakfast club but it doesn't cover the full cost of the staff we need there (ratios for all ages, those with ALN who need 1:1 etc), the heat and electric, the good quality nutritious food etc).

I beg of you, get of mumsnet and talk to the school, ask to have a parent and governor meeting to look at the budget and talk about your financial concerns. Recently we offered an online meeting and an in-person coffee with the governors gathering to answer any questions, clear up any misunderstandings and to be really transparent about the budget and why we've had to make some really hard decisions that we've not wanted to make. We've avoided redundancies so far but haven't replaced staff who've left. That's not a sustainable strategy.

Management of the school is the same in terms of the people and expertise as it was pre Covid when we had plenty of money in the bank. What has changed is that the money we receive hasn't kept to the same scale as the wage bill, the utilities etc. And we have very high levels of children with ALN.

A child at our primary is worth around £4k per year, if that child needs 1:1 that's roughly how much comes into the school. An LSA earns more than £4k pa so you can do the maths. If that child has ALN and is awaiting a space at the local special school it's still £4k in our mainstream primary. When/if they get a space at that special school, they're worth approx £35k per year to that school.

There's something really off with funding formulas when you also start comparing primaries with highs - why are they worth more there? Some money's worked out depending on square footage so a new build sprawling high school gets more money than a tiny old falling apart Victorian primary with its dying boiler and leaking roof and much higher staffing needs.

There are fewer grants available and they're more competitive to secure. With the required cut backs on staff, we no longer have the same capacity for SLT to deliver training and other things that actually brought money into the school.

I could wang on and on about this. I've been trying to change things and challenge things and work at improving the system while also supporting a head whose stress levels and MH are at severe pressure from the aggressive bullying we've had from the LA. We've coordinated meetings with Chairs of Govs and Heads from across the LA, we've had cluster meetings with schools in the same situation as us, we've communicated with the Education minister at Welsh Gov, all the relevant people at the LA, Governor representative groups, unions. And I do all this voluntarily. Governors aren't paid.

The LA say they've supported us. They sent their finance officer to meet with our finance team and they couldn't find any savings, nor any mismanagement or overspend. They spent an outrageous amount on an expert to come in and help the schools in deficit. That expert was an expert in education not finance and our head is more expert in education that the "expert" they brought in e.g. the expert said they'd been consulted on some part of national curriculum while the head actually was part of writing it, piloting it etc. The expert's report was that the school is excellent, the teaching is high quality, the environment exemplary etc. Nothing about the money. We know what we're doing well but we can't continue to do it if we have to lose any more staff.

I know of a school in a similar situation which is going from 3 to 2 form entry, and other schools which will be merging year groups to lose staff. The LA will have a struggle on their hands finding future school places. I have a friend teaching in a school in a similar situation to ours who's escaped redundancy but has had to step down from SLT and go back into class at a lower level. She's literally award winning, she's excellent, but the budget dictates that she gets effectively demoted.

We can't ask our parents for donations because the majority of them have sweet FA spare at the end of the week. If you haven't got the money to give to your school, don't give it but do engage with the school and talk with them about what's happening. We've shared our school budget with our parents, we've taken their questions about it, we're being transparent. We have nothing to hide. We don't have enough money coming in to do what we should be doing.

ilovesooty · 28/01/2026 10:32

ilovesooty · 28/01/2026 10:20

There was a request for £50pa at my state grammar school nearly 60 years ago.

And in those days you brought the money to school in an envelope. You were called up in register order to hand the envelope to the class teacher. If your parents couldn't or wouldn't pay up everyone would know. My father didn't want to and I remember tears from me and my mother begging him not to humiliate me at school.

Probablyshouldntsay · 28/01/2026 10:23

Yanbu- I’m happy to give, but on the basis that I understand the situation in full.
DC are in high school now but their primary was forever cap in hand as they had various building issues (including a sink hole) and I struggled to understand why the school were paying for that rather than the local authority or their insurers.
One aspect of my career is procurement, applying for gov funding etc and I’d rather help them that way rather than continue to plug a dam

ilovesooty · 28/01/2026 10:20

MargaretThursday · 27/01/2026 20:03

I thought this was fairly standard now.
I was first asked by one of my dc's schools in 2008 and regularly since then.

There was a request for £50pa at my state grammar school nearly 60 years ago.

StandingSideBySide · 28/01/2026 10:15

It goes without saying that schools are underfunded and more needs to be done
I doubt the problem will be solved immediately and what your school needs is money now

I wouldn't have a problem with paying and I have three kids including twins.
Education first and fight the principles alongside that

Itsmetheflamingo · 28/01/2026 10:02

OhDear111 · 28/01/2026 09:58

@ItsmetheflamingoThat is very true. There are huge differences. A full school always has a better budget than one with spaces for example. I often see on mn that primary schools have small classes. This is never ever cost effective and posters never look at the budget or how classes might need to be amalgamated. To ensure a school is financially stable, these things need looking at and governors must plan. Many don’t believe the forecasts they are given on future finance. They all get 3 years so need to make hard decisions.

I find the ability to understand finance- both from headteachers and SLt, and the county council- to be dire.
The county council finance teams were very poor quality and whether headteachers could manage budgets was largely dependant on their own long term dedication.

OhDear111 · 28/01/2026 09:58

@ItsmetheflamingoThat is very true. There are huge differences. A full school always has a better budget than one with spaces for example. I often see on mn that primary schools have small classes. This is never ever cost effective and posters never look at the budget or how classes might need to be amalgamated. To ensure a school is financially stable, these things need looking at and governors must plan. Many don’t believe the forecasts they are given on future finance. They all get 3 years so need to make hard decisions.

Thechaseison71 · 28/01/2026 09:56

Sausagescanfly · 27/01/2026 20:45

There are plenty of ways round that. You can just rejig things. For example, our primary subsidised some trips for pupil premium children. You could get the pta to pay for that and rebadge the pupil premium money for something else.

Can I ask what pupil premium actually is?

Itsmetheflamingo · 28/01/2026 09:52

People refer to area but you’ll notice there can be huge disparities across schools in the same area (if you check the finance tool posted)

I think a very big influencer is how stable the school has been. Unstable school- high staff turnover, poor buildings, cost more to run. Over years these schools would’ve eaten into their reserves or / and been unable to build reserves

stable schools have been able to underspend for may years and have reserves to call on now (until they run out)

This isn’t related to the wealth of the area. My county is the 7th richest region in the uk and Pp is low. As I previously mentioned, none of the 4 local secondary schools I checked are in deficit.

CommonlyKnownAs · 28/01/2026 09:49

I don't have any faith that lobbying will achieve anything. We can afford it, so we pay.

Runssometimes · 28/01/2026 09:47

Sausagescanfly · 27/01/2026 19:50

If nothing else, they should be going through the pta and it should be a registered charity, so that they can claim gift aid.

If the donation is to buy very specific things and there’s a connected benefit to the individual gift aid can get quite tricky.

BernardButlersBra · 28/01/2026 09:43

HisNotHes · 28/01/2026 09:02

“Plus as a twin parent l will be hit twice”

Many people have more than one child at the same school so will be “hit twice” (or 3 times or more).

“Spend less or earn more” how exactly would you propose that schools earn more? Isn’t that what they’re trying to do in asking for donations…

Depends on what point they ask for it e.g. in year 8 then it would twice in the same year for me. Plus other people choose to have more than 1 child -l only budgeted for 1 in my planning and would have stuck with 1. Having children of different ages also allows passing on of things, that’s not a thing in the twin world.

They could earn more by renting out the hall or sports hall to exercise classes, brownies, scouts etc. They could have school fetes, bake sales, fun runs etc

OP asked for her opinions and these are mine 🤷‍♀️

MrsKateColumbo · 28/01/2026 09:41

One school my DC was at asked for £180 per year, DC'S current school is £90, SW London in a "naice" area, tiny amount of PP so imagine most parents paid it. We also have a separate charge for e.g science week which is about £4

I have no problem with it, I like the schools and consider it a MUCH cheaper alternative to private schools. Tbh I prefer a one off payment, more convenient than all the "wear red sock and bring a pound" palaver which has multiple opportunities to be forgotten!

The teachers also get a decent ££ present off the parents (i organise this for those who wish to contribute), however having witnessed what the teachers have to deal with when i go in to read, i think they should get monthly spa days 🤣🤣

Itsmetheflamingo · 28/01/2026 09:40

Dgll · 28/01/2026 08:33

They presumably would still need materials. What were they using SEN funding for? Holidays in the Bahamas or scissors and glue?

No there was a PRU on site and they were using their budget in the main school.

you’re not going to be able to dress it up as snogging but scandalous 😆 although the bigger scandal was probably that the head was quietly moved on rather than sacked

Kirbert2 · 28/01/2026 09:18

My son's primary school which is in a deprived area is £61k balance and £4k revenue. I was expecting it to be much worse than that for some reason though they have never asked for money other than 'voluntary contributions' for trips.

HisNotHes · 28/01/2026 09:02

BernardButlersBra · 28/01/2026 08:38

It's a no from me. It's the thin end of the wedge and will cause it to become expected rather than local authorities funding things properly like they should. Plus as a twin parent l will be hit twice. No one just gives me more money: I either spend less and / or earn more. Like a lot of people my finances aren't amazing and l can't prop other people up

“Plus as a twin parent l will be hit twice”

Many people have more than one child at the same school so will be “hit twice” (or 3 times or more).

“Spend less or earn more” how exactly would you propose that schools earn more? Isn’t that what they’re trying to do in asking for donations…

canidigityes · 28/01/2026 08:53

My children’s school asks for an annual contribution and I refuse to pay it. There is a constant PTA machine operating that already costs a lot of money to donate to (and that last year raised in the region of £30k!!) that I’m not then going to pay another £80 per child on top of that for “supplies”

Duckishness · 28/01/2026 08:48

Needlenardlenoo · 28/01/2026 08:09

Pupil Premium is worth billions a year and the more deprived a catchment, the more funding from that source the school gets.

There was an interesting and very informative thread about Pupil Premium on here a few months back. I'll try to find it.

former school governor who was responsible for finance at a school that had high % PP.

In a system of parental choice, that school will statistically be in a more deprived area and won’t be top of the list for many parents. In some areas that means a surplus of school places especially in primary with lower birth rates. Less children on seats = less funding for the school, and whether there are 15 students in a class all getting PP or 30 means you still have to pay for 1 teacher despite not quite half the funding.

Add in the SEN crisis and most children not getting EHCPs, those who do it’s delayed funding, many children whose English is not their first language etc. and PP becomes a drop in the ocean. Sorry to say it helps but billions is still woefully inadequate to fund education properly and any 1 line item doesn’t account for cohort of the pupils or context of the school.

My experience talking to lots of Heads and the LA accounts team is this is very common.

Dgll · 28/01/2026 08:44

A lot of people don't care that much about education in this country, which is why the government doesn't do much. Opening pubs before schools after COVID showed up our national priorities.

However, up to 30% of secondary age pupils receive private tuition, so clearly quite a large number of parents don't depend entirely on what the state offers.

Fiftyniftystates · 28/01/2026 08:39

Many schools are struggling with their worst deficit for years because they have had to pay increase in NI contributions which was not budgeted for. for most schools 80% of their budget is on staffing and that number has now increased. They have to pay everything else out of the rest of the budget which leaves very little for things like art supplies ect. That is why they wil be asking.

its also worth noting that many items in a school are ring fenced - eg sport and capital contributions like computers.

BernardButlersBra · 28/01/2026 08:38

It's a no from me. It's the thin end of the wedge and will cause it to become expected rather than local authorities funding things properly like they should. Plus as a twin parent l will be hit twice. No one just gives me more money: I either spend less and / or earn more. Like a lot of people my finances aren't amazing and l can't prop other people up

Fiftyniftystates · 28/01/2026 08:35

Itsmetheflamingo · 27/01/2026 19:43

This makes no sense to me. I think that it would be reasonable go share their financial information (budgets v actual) before telling parents they need contributions and give parents the opportunity to lobby the LA.

for example, I was a governor for a school in deficit- they were repaying enormous SEn funding they had historically misappropriated. However, there was enough budget for them to operate.

the teachers always said they had to buy their own laptops etc but there was plenty of budget for capital

so in short (don’t understand the poll options?) I don’t necessarily believe them

Edited

Anyone can have access to the school governors meeting minutes where finance will be discussed and deficits laid out.

Fiftyniftystates · 28/01/2026 08:35

Itsmetheflamingo · 27/01/2026 19:43

This makes no sense to me. I think that it would be reasonable go share their financial information (budgets v actual) before telling parents they need contributions and give parents the opportunity to lobby the LA.

for example, I was a governor for a school in deficit- they were repaying enormous SEn funding they had historically misappropriated. However, there was enough budget for them to operate.

the teachers always said they had to buy their own laptops etc but there was plenty of budget for capital

so in short (don’t understand the poll options?) I don’t necessarily believe them

Edited

Anyone can have access to the school governors meeting minutes where finance will be discussed and deficits laid out.

Dgll · 28/01/2026 08:33

Itsmetheflamingo · 27/01/2026 20:06

The school I was governor of the management accounts showed that they were in deficit due to the repayment of misappropriated SEn funding.

imagine if there are schools asking for contributions when something like that had caused the deficit?

in addition, it would be interesting to see what deficit means- the staff are getting paid, the utilities will be paid. They’re not going to go under. The LA are recharging them costs, they’re not processing the gas bill themselves. It’s fairly “notional” (although yes, they may not have as much as they’d like to spend on equipment)

They presumably would still need materials. What were they using SEN funding for? Holidays in the Bahamas or scissors and glue?

MammaBear1 · 28/01/2026 08:33

It’s nothing new. I’m in my 50s now but when I was in secondary school in the early 80s, there was what they called “school subscription” where parents were all asked to pay a set small amount per term on a voluntary basis to cover items they couldn’t afford to get.
If I was a parent of a child at school now, if I could afford to pay I would do to make sure my child had what they needed for school, regardless of my political opinion.