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Schools asking for parental contributions

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ButamIwhoyouthinkIam · 27/01/2026 19:40

I’m sure this one will be divisive and is partly down to personal politics but I’m interested in the consensus.

state funded primary, good catchment, in deficit, like many others.

email last week to suggest a voluntary contribution from parents to cover essential materials, lays out case etc. but already have quite a few requests annually for enrichment and also trips. Has active PTA and most families donate to this through usual calendar of events.

email sets out rising costs of utilities etc and asks parents to plug the gap. I’m not sure this is the right solution for something that is inherently gov funded and it feels like a slippery slope.

IABU: it’s reasonable for schools to ask this and for parents to be happy to pay

YABU: a different option eg lobbying gov or showing the deficit would be more reasonable. Contributing financially allows the funding problem to be hidden

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Meadowfinch · 28/01/2026 11:37

Your concerns are valid and in an ideal world, schools should provide everything needed.

Having said that, faced with my only ds being allocated a place at a failing senior school that even Ofsted said wasn't safe, I mortgaged my soul, ds applied for a scholarship and between us we got him a place at the local independent school.

It is a charitable trust, no shareholders. It has a PTA despite being fee paying, we fund-raise like any other school for things like a new pump for the swimming pool or for those who can't afford to do DofE or language trips. We are lucky to have a couple of mums who fund-raise full time.

FerriswheelsKissesandLilacs · 28/01/2026 11:36

You don't have to, but if you can, you probably should. If your school is underfunded then the government won't give them more money. They'll just spend less on resources.

Itsmetheflamingo · 28/01/2026 11:33

Needlenardlenoo · 28/01/2026 11:31

I would query whether university staff would agree with you, given the number of strikes over this matter in affected universities.

Some universities have TPS.

University staff love to strike 😂

DC pension schemes as alternatives to TPS aren’t new, they’ve been around for at least a decade.

they’re striking because they’re being made redundant. In part because universities are about to go bankrupt because they also can’t afford TPS (and unlike schools, they can go bankrupt)m

edited to add-school teachers would strike too. That’s what happens when you make fundamental changes to heavily unionised environments

Needlenardlenoo · 28/01/2026 11:31

Itsmetheflamingo · 28/01/2026 11:06

Modernising an extremely old fashioned and excessively expensive pension scheme isn’t the same as arguing for lower salaries. It would of course, be cheaper to offer higher salaries than continue to prop up the TPS.

it’s a step that taken now, would take decades to fully embed (as existing pensioners would need to die off etc) however you can start the transformation now, or never.

Universities have found it quite successful as TPS is also very expensive for the teacher, so a cheaper pension can be attractive for both sides. Many just offer the choice and have a high uptake of their DC pension rather than TPS.

I would query whether university staff would agree with you, given the number of strikes over this matter in affected universities.

Some universities have TPS.

Itsmetheflamingo · 28/01/2026 11:28

MajorProcrastination · 28/01/2026 11:17

what's a TPS?

Teachers pension scheme

currently costs the employer (usually Local authority) approximately 25% on top of salary, so a teacher costing £35k oncosted costs another £9k on top pension contribution.

the 25% will continue to increase as well. It’s recalculated each year dependant on what the scheme needs.

its the most expensive pension scheme, i believe, in the uk.

its old fashioned because it was designed in a time when teachers would retire earlier in the way medics, fire fighters, police would. It has excessively onerous terms and conditions (by today’s standards)

also classically teachers accepted low wages knowing their pension was excellent. Taking it away would mean higher wages, but you would still save money overall.

ACynicalDad · 28/01/2026 11:27

A primary school budget is about £1.5m if you have 30 children in each year. What parents give will barely change the dial. The vast majority of costs are wages, keeping salaried headcount manageable and classes full is the only way to really make it work. But they are not being unreasonable for asking for a voluntary contribution, but few will raise enough to cover one TA.

noblegiraffe · 28/01/2026 11:25

People here seem to be talking about advantaged parents having to make up for the lack of pupil premium money for their kids like their kids are missing out because they’re not pupil premium.

It completely misses the point that pupil premium is to try to get disadvantaged kids levels of support equal to that enjoyed by non-disadvantaged kids before parents are even asked to put their hands in their pockets.

Fiftyniftystates · 28/01/2026 11:24

MajorProcrastination · 28/01/2026 11:17

what's a TPS?

Teachers pension scheme

Dragonflytamer · 28/01/2026 11:24

LondonPapa · 28/01/2026 11:16

Honestly I’m a little sick of the local primary school asking for donations. It is so bad and we’re in a very affluent area. Have big regrets over picking an ‘outstanding’ state versus private now.

Haha. Private schools asks for contributions all the time too at much higher rates. They are just called supplements to the fees rather than donation.

Isekaied · 28/01/2026 11:18

TeenToTwenties · 27/01/2026 19:54

What will happen to the schools in disadvantaged areas where getting parents to cover the funding gap isn't possible?

I understand why schools would like it, but it won't resolve systemic issues.

Exactly

It's shouldn't be needed.

I would pay if asked.

But what about schools where parents cant contribute because they don't have enough?

MajorProcrastination · 28/01/2026 11:17

Itsmetheflamingo · 28/01/2026 10:55

I think the elephant in the room is when we start moving away from the very expensive TPS.

you would be future proofing a c25% reduction in salary costs.

they’ve already done this in mos universities

what's a TPS?

LondonPapa · 28/01/2026 11:16

Honestly I’m a little sick of the local primary school asking for donations. It is so bad and we’re in a very affluent area. Have big regrets over picking an ‘outstanding’ state versus private now.

StandingSideBySide · 28/01/2026 11:16

Thechaseison71 · 28/01/2026 11:10

What do you suppose that happens in a very small village school when there is less than 30 kids spread over 3 years?

Small village schools are used to it though
and parents living in these areas will not have expectations otherwise

Dragonflytamer · 28/01/2026 11:15

Newbutoldfather · 28/01/2026 11:00

@Itsmetheflamingo ,

Already, teachers are expected to do more and more for less and less. It’s not as if there are a surplus of people wanting to teach!

Maybe you could move away from the TPS, but you would have to then pay higher salaries.

As someone who went from investment banking to teaching, I find it extraordinarily how the argument about talent seems to be made in the opposite direction. When Investment banks have vacancies, they get multiple applicants for each post, but still argue that they need to pay up for talent. When a secondary school advertises for a Physics teacher, they often get zero capable applicants. And yet you are arguing for a cut in compensation. This is a strange type of economics!!

I suppose it is logically through given that the Head of an Investment Bank generally has a strong grasp of economics, whereas, Head Teachers not so much.

Thechaseison71 · 28/01/2026 11:10

Newbutoldfather · 28/01/2026 11:03

@OhDear111 ,

Amalgamating years should be a last resort. Would you accept your child being taught like this…honestly?

We nearly had to do this in the primarY of which I was a governor. We would have lost all the most involved parents. Luckily we did a big fund raise and narrowly avoided it.

What do you suppose that happens in a very small village school when there is less than 30 kids spread over 3 years?

OhDear111 · 28/01/2026 11:08

@Newbutoldfather I’m not a fan but when I worked for my LA it was common. Very much in village schools where there’s no choice! Wanting it all costs. Some teachers have always taught mixed age groups. What I dislike is summer born being mixed with oldest from year below. As my summer born was bright I would be furious with that but many, many schools amalgamate year groups and falling rolls necessitate this. It’s that or deficit budget.

Itsmetheflamingo · 28/01/2026 11:06

Newbutoldfather · 28/01/2026 11:00

@Itsmetheflamingo ,

Already, teachers are expected to do more and more for less and less. It’s not as if there are a surplus of people wanting to teach!

Maybe you could move away from the TPS, but you would have to then pay higher salaries.

As someone who went from investment banking to teaching, I find it extraordinarily how the argument about talent seems to be made in the opposite direction. When Investment banks have vacancies, they get multiple applicants for each post, but still argue that they need to pay up for talent. When a secondary school advertises for a Physics teacher, they often get zero capable applicants. And yet you are arguing for a cut in compensation. This is a strange type of economics!!

Modernising an extremely old fashioned and excessively expensive pension scheme isn’t the same as arguing for lower salaries. It would of course, be cheaper to offer higher salaries than continue to prop up the TPS.

it’s a step that taken now, would take decades to fully embed (as existing pensioners would need to die off etc) however you can start the transformation now, or never.

Universities have found it quite successful as TPS is also very expensive for the teacher, so a cheaper pension can be attractive for both sides. Many just offer the choice and have a high uptake of their DC pension rather than TPS.

Newbutoldfather · 28/01/2026 11:03

@OhDear111 ,

Amalgamating years should be a last resort. Would you accept your child being taught like this…honestly?

We nearly had to do this in the primarY of which I was a governor. We would have lost all the most involved parents. Luckily we did a big fund raise and narrowly avoided it.

Newbutoldfather · 28/01/2026 11:00

@Itsmetheflamingo ,

Already, teachers are expected to do more and more for less and less. It’s not as if there are a surplus of people wanting to teach!

Maybe you could move away from the TPS, but you would have to then pay higher salaries.

As someone who went from investment banking to teaching, I find it extraordinarily how the argument about talent seems to be made in the opposite direction. When Investment banks have vacancies, they get multiple applicants for each post, but still argue that they need to pay up for talent. When a secondary school advertises for a Physics teacher, they often get zero capable applicants. And yet you are arguing for a cut in compensation. This is a strange type of economics!!

OhDear111 · 28/01/2026 11:00

And private schools. Of course classes should merge if you are not full. Most schools operating that are full have enough money. If you only have 60 dc arriving, then it’s 2 form entry. If you are 90 places but get 75, then amalgamate years - 150 dc is 5 classes. Every not full school has to do this. Get the deputy teaching or being cover. There’s various ways of saving staffing costs and these are easily your biggest expense.

Itsmetheflamingo · 28/01/2026 10:55

MajorProcrastination · 28/01/2026 10:42

I'm a governor at a school in a community where our parents can't afford to make donations or fundraise through a PTA, it's quite the opposite with a charity that the school works in partnership with having a food pantry, uniforms, laundrette etc.

We are in a deficit budget (which we've smashed down from where it was predicted to be), as are MANY other schools in our local authority, the vast majority in similar areas of deprivation. We do not receive enough money to provide the basic and essential staffing structure that we need due to the very high levels of ALN. We have many children with IDPs that require them to have 1:1 or other support like check ins, being met at the gate by an adult etc. We don't get enough money from the LA to pay for all the adults our children need to make them all feel safe and supported. The majority of the budget goes straight to salaries. We have sliced the amount spent on the building and on materials, we've cut back on trips and swimming and all sorts of other things that our children and our staff deserve to have, we've had to limit our breakfast club (which makes me so angry because we have so many children who really need it - they don't go hungry but they can't all attend and be better regulated before school starts - we get money from Welsh Gov for the breakfast club but it doesn't cover the full cost of the staff we need there (ratios for all ages, those with ALN who need 1:1 etc), the heat and electric, the good quality nutritious food etc).

I beg of you, get of mumsnet and talk to the school, ask to have a parent and governor meeting to look at the budget and talk about your financial concerns. Recently we offered an online meeting and an in-person coffee with the governors gathering to answer any questions, clear up any misunderstandings and to be really transparent about the budget and why we've had to make some really hard decisions that we've not wanted to make. We've avoided redundancies so far but haven't replaced staff who've left. That's not a sustainable strategy.

Management of the school is the same in terms of the people and expertise as it was pre Covid when we had plenty of money in the bank. What has changed is that the money we receive hasn't kept to the same scale as the wage bill, the utilities etc. And we have very high levels of children with ALN.

A child at our primary is worth around £4k per year, if that child needs 1:1 that's roughly how much comes into the school. An LSA earns more than £4k pa so you can do the maths. If that child has ALN and is awaiting a space at the local special school it's still £4k in our mainstream primary. When/if they get a space at that special school, they're worth approx £35k per year to that school.

There's something really off with funding formulas when you also start comparing primaries with highs - why are they worth more there? Some money's worked out depending on square footage so a new build sprawling high school gets more money than a tiny old falling apart Victorian primary with its dying boiler and leaking roof and much higher staffing needs.

There are fewer grants available and they're more competitive to secure. With the required cut backs on staff, we no longer have the same capacity for SLT to deliver training and other things that actually brought money into the school.

I could wang on and on about this. I've been trying to change things and challenge things and work at improving the system while also supporting a head whose stress levels and MH are at severe pressure from the aggressive bullying we've had from the LA. We've coordinated meetings with Chairs of Govs and Heads from across the LA, we've had cluster meetings with schools in the same situation as us, we've communicated with the Education minister at Welsh Gov, all the relevant people at the LA, Governor representative groups, unions. And I do all this voluntarily. Governors aren't paid.

The LA say they've supported us. They sent their finance officer to meet with our finance team and they couldn't find any savings, nor any mismanagement or overspend. They spent an outrageous amount on an expert to come in and help the schools in deficit. That expert was an expert in education not finance and our head is more expert in education that the "expert" they brought in e.g. the expert said they'd been consulted on some part of national curriculum while the head actually was part of writing it, piloting it etc. The expert's report was that the school is excellent, the teaching is high quality, the environment exemplary etc. Nothing about the money. We know what we're doing well but we can't continue to do it if we have to lose any more staff.

I know of a school in a similar situation which is going from 3 to 2 form entry, and other schools which will be merging year groups to lose staff. The LA will have a struggle on their hands finding future school places. I have a friend teaching in a school in a similar situation to ours who's escaped redundancy but has had to step down from SLT and go back into class at a lower level. She's literally award winning, she's excellent, but the budget dictates that she gets effectively demoted.

We can't ask our parents for donations because the majority of them have sweet FA spare at the end of the week. If you haven't got the money to give to your school, don't give it but do engage with the school and talk with them about what's happening. We've shared our school budget with our parents, we've taken their questions about it, we're being transparent. We have nothing to hide. We don't have enough money coming in to do what we should be doing.

I think the elephant in the room is when we start moving away from the very expensive TPS.

you would be future proofing a c25% reduction in salary costs.

they’ve already done this in mos universities

StandingSideBySide · 28/01/2026 10:50

ilovesooty · 28/01/2026 10:32

And in those days you brought the money to school in an envelope. You were called up in register order to hand the envelope to the class teacher. If your parents couldn't or wouldn't pay up everyone would know. My father didn't want to and I remember tears from me and my mother begging him not to humiliate me at school.

No one will know these days though

Newbutoldfather · 28/01/2026 10:48

*Apologies for overusing ‘especially’, but hopefully no one will be critiquing my writing skills!

Newbutoldfather · 28/01/2026 10:46

Sorry to come back to this late but schools are normally pretty open about accounts.

Also, schools are not allowed to ask for parental contributions to the core teaching. But, obviously, this is a grey area. If parents make a huge contribution to stationary, trips, art and music, then more of the (very limited) budget is left to pay teachers.

When I was a governor of a state primary, the Tories did a truly awful thing. They finally gave teachers a (well deserved and long overdue) decent pay rise, but they gave schools no more money to cover it.

So, schools (especially primaries), without extra contributions, were forced into horrible compromises such as merging classes. You may also notice an absence of older experienced teachers, as the shifted to employ more ECTs (young just qualified teachers).

Some joined big MATs where schools can make some efficiency saving and also be cross subsidised by successful large secondaries.

The reality is that it is almost impossible to balance the budget and run a successful school, especially primaries and even more especially smaller primaries.

It is a real scandal and tends to fly below the news radar. So, my son’s successful secondary asks for £500 or more (fairly shamelessly), especially as it is a successful oversubscribed grammar. I happily give £1,000. Most don’t though. They will still be managing on 50% of a private school budget (at most).

I agree with OP that it shouldn’t be this way and government should adequately fund schools, especially as they whine on about valuing education. But, as long as they don’t, if you can afford to help out, I would recommend it.

Nevermind17 · 28/01/2026 10:43

My DD works within a school finance team. You would be shocked at the thousands of pounds that get wasted every year. An enormous metres-long fish tank in reception, plus fish, plus a regular fish-tank cleaning/maintenance contract is just one example, while they’re complaining that they can’t afford Pritt sticks. They also pay for event companies to come in and decorate the hall for regular presentation evenings with flowers and balloon arches and customised backdrops for the stage, and all these events are catered.

This is a state academy High school.