Kanye’s comeback - will you forgive him? Do you care?

Quite incidental but I absolutely love American Boy. Loved him in that but I've gone right off him. Both for his pimping and antisemitism.

Not sure…I have a close family member who has had psychosis for several months. Some of the things she has said and done are utterly bizarre but she truly believes her delusions to be real. I would hate people to hold it against her forever.

Absolutely not. But I was off the Kanye train years before mainstream society took issue with how problematic he is. In fact Golddigger was it for me

Your freind is spectacularly poor at their job

make a good point that there is no way Taylor would be able to come back from this behaviour and get so many chances

I honestly am torn.

I recently rewatched some old Kardashians episodes, and he seemed relatively normal, loving, the Kardashian family loved him, he was supportive when Lamar was ill and raced to Kim's side after her robbery..

But you could also see this narcissistic side creep through, even in front of the cameras.

I do very much believe he had a mental illness break down. Yes bi-polar but more too it. Whether he can realistically recover, I hope so, as I would hope for anyone.

Can i forgive and forget the antisemitic, racist, MAGA supporting behaviour......no, I dont think I can.

I honestly give zero shits about Kanye West. I had forgotten he exists. I wish he would crawl back under the rock he has been under for the past 7 or so years.

Maybe he should listen to some Taylor Swift music, to cheer himself up. 😆

A Consultant psychiatrist thinks delusions are the inter truth?! Or mania is the inner truth? What does s/he mean by that? That’s bizarre and also a bit fascinating

I mean I can’t say the people I’ve seen who believe someone’s poisoning their food is quite talking their truth but maybe they mean something else

Wasn’t it less than a year from when he released that Hitler album? What’s happened to change his mind? I just believe this is a stunt and he’ll be back saying nonsense soon enough.

He seems mentally ill but that’s not an excuse for the hatred that he promotes.

My friend who is a consultant psychiatrist thinks that mania loosens the tongue for one's true beliefs. I am not sure that's what I think tbh. Do I think he has a serious mental health illness, yes. Do I think he is sorry for now, yes. Until... the next time he comes off his meds/drinks too much/doesnt sleep for hours on end/smokes too much weed and spirals again.

ETA I didn't realise there was new music coming, the apology makes more sense now.

Exactly. How sorry would he be if there wasn’t album sales at stake here?

I knew he wasn't an actual nazi and it was all linked to his MH issues. So I don't know why he bothered putting out an advert about it.

It's just another way to get publicity. Seeing as he's not been seen promoting much in the last few months. He's got grillz, KFC, invisible dresses for his Mrs and Blue Hair extensions for North to pay for. It don't come cheap.

I genuinely believe he suffers from psychosis and has been in active psychosis when some of these things have happened.

I have no doubt that the cause of that could be genetic along with his lifestyle which has been severely stressful and unusual.

being in psychosis doesn’t make you a good or bad person outside of that- his public sexual behaviour with his wife is likely to be someone who is genuinely controlling- controlling is a common way to dysfunctional deal with anxiety.

all in all, I think he has massive mental health issues and I would suggest he’s not always in control of his behaviour.

in terms of forgive- well, meaningless, I don’t need to forgive people, particularly strangers. Mental illness isn’t an “excuse” it provides context and reasoning. And I think there is a strong case for looking at his behaviour in the round with that.

That’s really weird of you though. The same with the separation of art and artist. But not buying weird shoes because of the effect the connection might have on you rather than because of what he actually said just goes to show it’s not about separation it’s about selfishness and the fact that you don’t care.

No - the Hitler stuff was beyond the pale. As are his unpleasant stunts using Bianca Censori. He’s an appalling person.

Are you a doctor? How do you know if he was having a psychic episode or not? My DP suffers from bipolar. He has never in all the years I've known him come out with the diabolical views that Kanye did. It's about time that people like him stop using mental ill health as a get out of jail card.

He's got a new album coming out at the end of the week.
That is the only reason he is apologising now.

No, but I'm not his target market or ever likely to buy anything he's selling.

Can't imagine he'll lose any sleep over the fact.

No. I believe he's mentally ill but I also believe he's not a good person. Both can be independently true.

I would. It was clear to me he was in a psychotic episode. But I think the key thing will be whether he gives someone medical proxy, or whatever the legal instrument is, to insist on his treatment should he become unwell again. If he takes seriously the harm done then he should instruct also his lawyers under what circumstances they should not be fighting enforced medical treatment.