To reckon that Reform will win the next election, and to be utterly terrified about it? 😪

Research the Dublin agreement. It involved tiny numbers, our neighbours in Europe resisted every attempt to return migrants despite overwhelming evidence and we were net recipients nearly every year. Given geography and migrant flows this was absurd and demonstrates how our near neighbours always took advantage of the UK Home Office incompetence. Facts matter even when other aspects of your argument are possibly valid.

Net Zero was an inherited Tory policy, we had the highest energy prices long before Labour came to power and Labour have rolled it back, with many "Green taxes" going in April.
Net Zero has also created over 500k jobs, would you like to get rid of those?

According to a military expert (Michael Clarke) the deal allows us to "legally" keep enemy ships out of Chagosian waters, atm we have no basis to be able to that.

If ID reduces tax evasion and limits the black economy, whats wrong with that? its not as if the Govt doesn't already know all about you in any case, an awful lot of scare mongering over this....

The irony is, people moan about privacy whilst handing over all their details to private SM websites and buy/sell sites..... & thats before we get onto what HMRC know about you....

We haven’t seen anything yet until we get the shit storm that is Reform in power.
You’ve only got to look at the States.

What about Labour’s catastrophic economic suicide of a Net Zero policy that makes our country have among the highest electricity prices in the world.

What about the Chagos Island deal that will cost 3.4 billion for absolutely nothing in return.

What about the self ID infrastructure that no one wants or voted for that will cost 1.8 billion
even though it’s slightly rolled back

To name a few of their amazing recent decisions,

Will be hard to get the Tories on board & as far as i can see, are more to the right than Reform.

She wants a "Deportations Force" & announced this long before Reform, who haven't gone this far, they are considering it.

Badenoch said yesterday "open to ideas from the right but not the left..."

So presumably doesn't want the NHS, maternity & worker rights, universal education....

The Times? who backed Brexit... of course we didn't send back enough migrants, thats because the last Govt was incompetent.

I'd rather listen to Chris Philp .. backed up by Mel Stride, senior members in the last Tory Govt, both have said NOT being in the Dublin Agreement has limited how they can deport migrants.

On other EU countries, we dont have a open land border (other than NI) and aren't in Schengen.

In the EU hardly anyone cross via the channel, the moment we left officially, numbers rocketed.... wonder why?

I'm living on hope that not enough people seriously want them in, but I'm also haunted by the Brexit voters who were wailing and gnashing their teeth afterwards that ' I only did it as a protest vote and didn't really want to leave'. I think dumb-ass 'protest votes' may tip the balance to Reform. We need a clear multi-party campaign against expressing your disatisfaction in this way.

i wish there was more reporting on the funding/donors to Reform. There is a reason they have suddenly raised abortion law and death penalty as issues: the american conservative right has lashed a whole load of cash to Reform, and they definitely have an agenda that should be made clear to every voter.

They wont win. But they might get the tories in by taking some labour votes. Which i wont be happy about.
Tbf im no fan of labour either but I di think they are better than the tories and reform.
I seriously doubt reform will win
You dont just need to votes of the stupid. You need the votes of the wealthy too.. the tories sometimes father those two groups but reform wont because they are too shit basically. They couldn't run country. No sensible person will vote for them no matter how right wing they may feel. Because they know they can't actually implement the majority of what they bang on about. And if they tried it would make such a mess of the country people would lose a lot of money

WW3 (now more than ever, we need a level-headed prime minister, not a rabble-rousing loose cannon)

Rising sea levels and increased flooding due to climate change

Food insecurity due to climate change

Reform allowing US healthcare companies to buy up the NHS and hike up prices

The lowering of environmental and food safety regulations, US style, leading to the degradation of wildlife habitats and the increase of preventable illnesses

personally id blame the general public for voting for these parties

Have you heard what Kier Starmer and the labour party have already done to the country? They are the definition of treachery and corruption!

part and parcel of democracy

Open your eyes, the country is already unrecognisable! How could it possibly get any worse?

A quick fact check -

Taxation for individuals is the same as it was in 2024.

UK (Bank of England) Base Rate

• 2022–2023 (The Hike): Rates started 2022 at 0.25%, rising to 1% by May and reaching 5.25% by August 2023.
• 2024–2025 (The Pivot): The first cut occurred in August 2024 to 5%. Subsequent cuts followed, with the rate landing at 3.75% in December 2025.
• 2026 Forecast:
• Rate Path: Further gradual cuts are expected, likely reaching 3.0%–3.5% by the end of 2026.
• Mortgage Impact: Fixed rates are falling, with some 2-year and 5-year fixed deals starting around 3.55%–3.75% in early 2026.

We’re paying less interest on the national debt than at its peak in May 2025.

GDP was negative at the end of 2023, its gown in every successive quarter since then.

Of course they have. Our economy is in a much worse state now than it was then. Taxes are higher, interest rates are higher, the national dept is higher and we are paying more interest on that debt. On top of that GDP has hit rock bottom.

Brexit was always a possibility but that wasn’t a seismic swing like this. You could see the “out” campaign was far more organised and concerted in their effort. The “in” side just assumed it would all be fine until it was too late. Plus you had idiots like Corbyn refusing to take a position and alienating most of his supporters.

Funny they haven’t succeeded.

How patronising!

I might also add that the Tories stated aims during their time in office over Chagos, was identical to the deal Labour got.

December 2023
Britain will drop plans to hand the Chagos Islands back to Mauritius under a new strategy being drawn up by Grant Shapps.

Mr Shapps, who took office in August, is understood to have told officials that the islands should remain under British control, rejecting the international court ruling and defying the UN.

James Heappey, the defence minister, is representing the Ministry of Defence in a cross-Whitehall row over the islands’ future, while Lord Cameron has ordered a review of the plans in the Foreign Office.

“Grant is very against giving the islands back to Mauritius,” said a government source. “He and [Lord] Cameron came in, and said: ‘What the hell is going on here?’”

Their concerns are understood to be mirrored by the US, which believes the well-placed base could be compromised if Mauritius gained control of the islands.

Boris Johnson, the former prime minister, said in September that it would be a “colossal mistake” to give away the Chagos Islands, describing a government plan to “haul down the flag, casting doubt on a major Western strategic asset”.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/12/01/uk-drop-plan-to-hand-chagos-islands-back-mauritius/

Rt Hon Sir Grant Shapps
@grantshapps
As Defence Secretary I was so concerned about the sovereignty of the Chagos Islands that I blocked the deal from proceeding.
Today, this government has announced it's abandoned our sovereignty of the Archipelago, including the militarily essential Diego Garcia. The government's joint statement fails to address FOUR urgent questions: 1. What happens after 99 years and specifically, is renewal then automatic? If not, then Starmer has just signed up to a Hong Kong style situation, which hasn't worked out well. 2. Exactly how much is the new rental payment to the government of Mauritius? The sums being demanded were both enormous and indexed linked. The government must release this number immediately. 3. How has the government ensured continued military use of Diego Garcia, especially since the location of these islands could be impacted by the Treaty of Pelindaba (also known as the African Nuclear-Weapon-Free Zone Treat). 4. How will this capitulation help when it comes to protecting other British assets like Gibraltar, the Falkland Islands and our two Sovereign Bases in Cyprus - all of which face varying levels of sovereignty challenge?
5:19 PM · Oct 3, 2024

@DadBodAlready and now the same people who broke the country (the tories) have inserted themselves into Reform. Rebranded but still corrupt. Just look at what's happening on a local level if you want evidence of how crap Reform will be. 70k spent on flags and millions on a waste consultant in leics and Notts. On a national level they will be catastrophic. Labour aren't perfect but they were served a bigger load of crap from the previous govt than they knew about when they wrote their manifesto.

As opposed to the awful, corrupt, incompetent snakes we have leading the country today. Who have broken nearly every promise they made to the electorate before they gained power.

Who are you talking about? As far as I know, David Cameron will never again be our Prime Minister whichever party wins the next election.

You do realise don’t you that this government has done far more to crash the British economy than Liz Truss ever did.

The accusation has not come from Trump himself. It has come from the opposition parties in this country who have discovered just what underhand methods this government is prepared to use to get its own way and betray the British people.
Did Starmer tell Trump that the US wouldn’t be able to keep Nuclear weapons on Diego Garcia under his deal? Was the president told about the 1966 treaty. You know, the one that said the Chagos should remain under British sovereignty while the US used the base.
The answer to both those is no. Starmer hoped the president wouldn’t notice. That is the wosrst sort of deception. Well now the President has noticed and he is justly angered.