To reckon that Reform will win the next election, and to be utterly terrified about it? 😪

Yep. This is obvious and clear in the numbers so why is the narrative established against that. Who does it serve to create that misinformation?

DA never acted as a deterrent. The law couldn’t be used effectively to force countries to take their migrants back partly because they simply didn’t t want to and partly because of the barriers to transfer as explained by inamarina in the above post. If it could have been used as a deterrent it would have been many years ago and it still is not working today for EU members if you look at the numbers and flows.

They certainly don’t. Hence posts about the economy being in a worse state than it was after Truss. Pure fabrication.

The false info on here is pushed regarding the DA generally. In the media too.

Re technology . Quick google check. AI Overview

UK Border Force uses advanced technology, including
CO2 probes, heartbeat detectors, sniffer dogs, and mobile scanning units to detect migrants hiding in lorries at Channel ports, with over 35,000 such detections recorded between 2018–2021.

will get back to you on other points shortly .

It's a worry, but like the last several governments we have had, because the government has sold all it's assets and is functionally bankrupt (whoever gets in) there is very little they can do- as long as Nigel doesn't manage to crash the economy and the markets like Liz Truss he will just have 4 years of pecking away at problems taxing us into extinction (the only way they can fund anything) so he'll lose popularity and become just a distasteful memory- exactly the same as Keir Starmer.

Err? Philp and Strides unguarded comments do not back up their public ideology... they back up the truth that Brexitiers don't like....

Yes they came in lorries and as you say numbers continued to drop and drop for over 20 years, due to French/UK co operation, the channel was always there, yet never used.
Plus numbers crossing in lorries were small in relation to boats.

Can you cite the new tech that meant migrants forced to use the channel by 2020?
Funny this "tech" coincided with UK officially leaving the EU....

I've already explained the reasons why low numbers but as i said, countries refusing to take returnees can be dealt with in law, DA acted as a deterrent.

Hoops? you're still doing it.

This is just not true. Plus it’s debt - not dept.

Hey you know your stuff. Well done. However facts simply don’t matter to many posters on here.

They didn’t cross the channel because they came in the back of lorries. Technology improved so there was increased detection so they started using small boats. Nothing to do with EU membership.
Dublin did not stop France saying “non”. They and many other European countries did just that all the time while we were part of the agreement regardless of the evidence that they were legally obliged to take the migrants back. That’s why the Uk was a net recipient which was totally absurd considering geography and migrant flows.
Philip and Stride may “know” more than me but they are politicians who in every party don’t let facts interfere with ideology.
i don’t need to jump through any hoops as the facts support my views.

The country having to accept is a major barrier, plus the others. That’s why it’s not worth citing as an agreement that meant many were sent back. It’s not the case.

How did it work? In theory perhaps.
I’ve just googled the recent numbers for Germany:

2024 Performance: Out of 74,583 outgoing Dublin transfer requests made by Germany in 2024, only 5,827 were actually implemented. This represents a success rate of approximately 7.8%.
In the first half of 2025, Germany reportedly made 20,574 applications but only returned 3,109 individuals, a slight improvement to a 15% success rate.

Barriers to Transfers
The low percentage is attributed to several factors:

• Absconding: As seen in high-profile cases, many individuals go into hiding or "abscond" on the day of their planned deportation to let the legal transfer deadline (usually 6 months) expire.
• Non-Cooperation from Other States: Italy and Greece have frequently refused to accept transfers. For example, in 2024, Italy accepted only 3 individuals despite agreeing to over 10,000 requests.
• Legal Challenges: German courts have occasionally blocked transfers to countries like Greece and Italy, citing concerns over "inhuman or degrading" conditions for refugees there.

Yes it is, as it simply just didn’t work. Look at the stats. Tiny numbers, UK net recipient, extremely difficult to use. People who quote this are blindly ignoring the facts. This does not mean that other options for Europe wide cooperation might not have been effective but this wasn’t and no others appear to have been implemented. The one in one out scheme upscaled might bear fruit but again numbers are tiny and the UK is again a net recipient.

@inamarina also, DA cannot send all back.... only those who have previously registered, so around 50% of X channel migrants.

No one has suggested "Send them ALL back"

Not even Chris Philp, though i do wonder how long he'll be in the Tory party

The numbers are low everywhere. If it was a send everyone back mechanism only a few countries would hold all the entrants. Eg Greece, Spain, Italy and Germany, ROI etc could ‘send them all back’

It’s false information that they can do this. The DA has difficult criteria and people need to be accepted. It’s on every thread but the numbers don’t reflect the claim.

So Dublin Agreement worked but due to the incompetence of the authorities, they "lost" him and he went on to kill.

Hardly an argument against Dublin......

Totally agree on manufacturing but tell that to the 1600 employees in Siemens E Yorks plant or the workers on Teeside.

55k employed directly in wind turbine industry & its growing...

Net Zero yes but on migration at 1.5m to 2m gross per year, no consensus.

Stopping net zero wont create more manufacturing in similar numbers, nor bring down prices, we'd then have to fund gas power stations and more nuclear... at huge cost, still need the network improvements too.

On Chagos, do we own it? International courts say no don't they?

Yes the population should have a say... would tearing up this deal draw Mauritius to China or not? What if the population say Yes to China and No to the UK/USA?

Yes, I’ve seen several reports on how Germany was struggling to send back asylum seekers.
I remember a particular case where a Syrian asylum seeker was supposed to be sent back to Bulgaria.
Germany had requested and received approval for his transfer, a deportation date was scheduled, but when the authorities showed up at his accommodation it turned out that he had absconded.
According to the Asylum Information Database, a transfer must occur within six months of the agreement. Because he could not be found, the deadline expired, and Germany legally became responsible for his asylum claim.
This case was particularly tragic because a year later he attacked and killed three people at a festival in Germany.

The people of Clacton are angry! Farage has not fulfilled a single promise he made to the people of Clacton. He is paid nearly 100k a year of tax payers money as an MP and he’s not dealt with a single issue. If people think he has any interest in improving the lives of British people they are extremely deluded.

You are right, about the Conservatives, they implemented Net Zero and high immigration, it was becoming a consensus ‘Uni party’ until Reform and the Greens showed up.

The amount of jobs created by Green Energy are very over exaggerated, most manufacturing and production is done in China and we continue to loose investment and jobs from high energy prices.

https://x.com/latimeralder/status/1841020424248779100?s=46&t=KoykWa-IFitZMrteWP2pKA

The Chagos deal hands the Chagos Islands over to Mauritius (Friend of China)against the wishes of the indigenous population and we have to pay 3.4 billion (10 billion over 99 years adjusting inflation).
If you own something and pay no rent it is better than paying rent.

Chris Philp not only admitted that leaving the EU meant it was much harder to deport migrants, he also said "that the Boris Johnson Govt hadn't understood the EU rules on asylum"

Well, if a Govt fails to understand the rules (who had ever heard of Dublin Agreement until after Brexit?) then its hardly surprising we failed to deport.

Numbers from 24 or 25 years ago, are pertinent as one might ask why they came down until 2021......

Yep. It’s easy to look up the numbers rather than repeat misinformation. Plus it’s not just here numbers are low in every country. We had peak asylum in 2002 until recently.

You ve nailed it "Home Office Incompetence"

I'm well aware of the numbers but the fact remains, migrants didn't cross the channel prior to the UK leaving the EU, the channel didn't get narrower in 2021.

I would also suggest that Philp and Stride have a better grasp of the facts than you or i.

Dublin gave us the legal means to deport, if France refused, there are legal means to pursue to force them too, we don't have that now, France can just say "non" and there is zilch we can do about.

The hoops people will jump through to deny this, is incredible to see.

Anyone? How exactly do you think he became an MP? I accept your views are honestly held but can you really ignore the fact that thousands of people in Clacton did vote for him. Also millions in the country voted Reform. More than voted for Lib Dem’s. These are facts. Facts matter even if they don’t validate your views.

There is a reason they have suddenly raised abortion law and death penalty as issues: the american conservative right has lashed a whole load of cash to Reform, and they definitely have an agenda that should be made clear to every voter.

Americans don't quite understand the differences between their system and ours. Abortion is subject to Act of Parliament. Not a politicised Court. Parliament stopped the Death Penalty being used. It is impossible to see that huge numbers of our population across all classes and all political parties would support either being changed.
Stop scaremongering, neither can happen.