To reckon that Reform will win the next election, and to be utterly terrified about it? 😪

@BeAmberZebra while we're on the topic of bad behaviour https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/1-in-18-reform-councillors-suspended-expelled-or-resigned-since-may-400341/

@BeAmberZebra I was referring to your point regarding national security. As far as I know, nobody in the current Labour Govt has taken bribes from China or Russia. Or expressed admiration for Putin or other dictators. When you talk about scandals, bribes from Russia and documented admiration of Putin (see a pattern forming in Reform) is far more dangerous for national security than what the press have ripped Angela Raynor apart for.

Now do Labour MPs sins - predominantly for dodgy sex and Tories MPs sins -predominantly dodgy financial. All well documented. Then look at their members. It does beg the question why so many of our elected officials indulge in these activities. To date Reform per capita has the least transgressors.

@BeAmberZebra you do know that a prominent member of Reform has recently been sent down for taking Russian bribes? And Farage has made no secret of being an admirer of Putin. If you think our children's last hope lies in them, you are very very wrong. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5yd878ejqko

I have just signed up to Prosper UK (www.prosperuk.com). It's unashamedly centrist and that's exactly what we need in this country: a sound opposition that is not fascist. I was going to write 'not radical' but at this point, it looks like the most radical thing you can be in this country is a centrist! I think anyone who is not for Reform, including Labour supporters, should support the initiative because it's time we dragged all main parties back to the centre.
Populists are the empty calories of politics.

Yes, it's beyond me that so many people refuse to see Reform for what it is. We are getting a sneak preview by watching the US. We'd be so fucking thick to essentially go and lap up the same vomit.

If they get in they’ll try to smash democracy, just like Trump will. It’s beyond me why people would shit on their forbears’ legacy in this way, by voting for them. The immigration debate is a complete red herring. They’re after far more than that.

No, I think Labour will get another term.
Reform are small, they represent a minority of people, they just get more airtime than they deserve.
If they do get in it will be a disaster that only lasts one term, thankfully

Authorities shooting anyone in this country just doesn’t happen and won’t suddenly if there is a Reform government and I suspect you know this. There might however be a possibility that British citizens might no longer be killed, attacked, stabbed and raped by migrants from backward appalling cultures which currently happens as proved comprehensively by every statistic available when the information isn’t deliberately withheld. We also might have a functioning NHS although that will be a much harder job for any party but they might actually try to make it work as it simply doesn’t in many cases and for many people.
Our leaders in every party “kowtow” (or observe diplomatic norms) to leaders of many distasteful foreign regimes who actively try and harm us. For example Starmers current behaviour towards China who are a regime who would do us a lot more harm than Trump and they do currently . Unfortunately we are a tiny little country with little power soft or otherwise in an increasingly unstable and dangerous world and we have to behave accordingly. A Reform government however would be more concerned with protecting the UK than worrying about International law (which is only a concept of treaties and agreements we have entered into and can withdraw from), foreign criminal’s human rights and being world leaders on climate change, trans rights and every other niche obsession our elites have rather than concern for hard working tax payers (of every nationality and colour).
Do we really think a Labour, Conservative, Lib Dem or Green government will change anything or improve our lives? They won’t as they have proved over and over again. Reform is really our children’s last and only hope.

Yes, citizens getting shot by federal thugs is so much better. 🙄

You might be pleasantly suprised. Can't be worse than things at the moment. The USA style of life is a bit better than our current direction.

But if Reform gets in, that means they have the majority and there won't be anything to stop them changing the law. And yes, NF is part of the MAGA circle and won't ever do anything to challenge Trump, not in any significant way. Trump knew full well that what he said about NATO soldiers was offensive; he could (and surely did) expect a performative reprimand, the whole point for him was to humiliate us and that aim already been achieved so there was nothing at stake here. On the other hand, remind me what Farage said about Greenland? That the world would be a better place if the US took over Greenland or words to that effect... Now there was something way more strategic and which side did he pick? So yes, I maintain he will never ever do anything to cross Trump. Hope I'm proved wrong though - and most of all, I hope it won't ever get to the point that we actually get a Reform government.

When President Trump said that NATO forces in Afghanistan stood a little too far back from the front line Farage as well as other UK political leaders called for an apology. If Farage was kowtowing to Trump I doubt he would have raised his head above the parapit. American pharmaceutical suppliers are greedy . I live part time in Florida so know them well they are always in the news over something. It's not the NHS that stops uS pharmaceutical companies from overcharging, it's written in law so even if Farage gets in and as many fear, he throws us to the wolves on medicine prices, he has to repeal the law. Labour btw have just agreed to hike prices and make the NHS more amenable to US big pharmaceutical demands. In exchange they get a trade deal. How did they do that, they amended the legislation. Probably on a quiet night when everyone was home watching TV. It's not Farage you have to worry about.

By the way, @Khayker I don't dispute that you've had substandard experiences or that things need improving, only that Reform of all parties are the ones to turn to for that and that's because I have good reason to distrust their agenda regarding healthcare.

I heard first hand from an acquaintance in the US who was working at a big pharma group over there that the hope for brexit generally and a Farage government in particular was for the NHS stranglehold on price regulation to be over as that would help them push prices up. It's not propaganda, it's a very logical commercial agenda on the part of those American companies. It makes sense from their point of view. If you listened to Trump, you would know that's still exactly the agenda. He keeps saying that other countries don't pay enough for meds, that European countries (includes us) should pay 2x or 3x more. What stands in the way in the case of the UK? The NHS in the way it is structured. So when someone like NF who is very close to Trump, or at least in his ideological and political orbit, says that the NHS needs to be reformed and an insurance based system introduced, that should ring alarm bells. Again, it's not propaganda, it's just listening to what those guys are saying.

'Regardless of the funding it had' is in the context of raising standards not in the context of underfunding. Regardless of how much NHS has its never enough and it mainly fails to meet targets regardless of the money its given from the government.

It's all well and good asking for more money from the taxpayer to be on a footing with healthcare in Europe, but can NHS achieve that? It hasn't to date regardless of the funding its had.

When has the NHS ever had sufficient funding? If it did, it was probably more than 40 years ago. If it never did, then you can't argue that its problems are "regardless of the funding it's had".

I've just seen a Fb post from Lib dems. Nice to see Reform are living rent free in their head.
I should buy shares in election leaflet and banner printers. They're going to spend spend spend.

NEWS
Jackie Pearcey is our candidate in the Gorton & Denton by-election.
Voters in Gorton and Denton deserve so much more than a failing Labour government or the divisive politics of Reform UK.
Good luck Jackie!

Nothing shy about me. Im stating facts. Sorry if you don't agree but there you go, free speech at its best. You are entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to state facts and be the adult in the conversation.

More like a deflection as you are timorous about having an opinion, why's that, everyone knows what you think from your avid defence of ICE.

I had to have general anaesthetic unfortunately.

Its a question. It can't be answered as I didn't say it and the question was put on the basis of a lie to suit a narrative so I'm pretty sure I'm not the 'craven' individual. Non so blind as those that will not see.

I didn’t miss it. Christ knows where you went because my private dentist charges £200 for an extraction.

You probably missed my post earlier about a tooth extraction costing £1400 because there was a two year waiting list. People who can afford it are faced with paying for private treatment due to waiting times. Where does that leave less well of patients? In constant pain presumably. A service is not a service if it can't deliver what its there to provide and at the moment waiting lists are long everywhere. It's all well and good asking for more money from the taxpayer to be on a footing with healthcare in Europe, but can NHS achieve that? It hasn't to date regardless of the funding its had. I haven't suggested privatising the NHS. The statement in my previous post was in response to an ascertion that NHS could be funded the same as European healthcare. To do that would mean privatisation. However if NHS keeps being unaccountable and failing to hit targets whatever government is in power may decide that's an option.

Are you British? You seem to have these maga views of what life in Britain is like?