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To think that 4 G.C.S.E's needed to do business studies is ridiculous

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magicalmadmadamim · 26/01/2026 12:17

My eldest DS is 16 and been at college since September. He has 2 G.C.S.E equivalent certificates in English and Maths.
I'm sure back when I was in college business studies was always a foundation course?
He really wanted to do business studies and they have put him on some really rubbish courses that he is super bored with.
Is it me or is education getting much harder now?
Hardly any of his school friends passed any g.c.s.e's :(

OP posts:
TeenToTwenties · 27/01/2026 08:19

Satsuma55 · 27/01/2026 08:13

Come òn! Would you be happy if your 16 year old had these....after all those years at school?

Well we had great celebration in our household when DD passed her English FS Level 2. You have no idea how much effort she put into achieving it.

You have to reset your expectations dependent on the circumstances and child in front of you.

And whatever you may care to think Level 2 Functional Skills English is on the same level as a GCSE grade 4 (as they are both level 2 qualifications) and for lots of purposes the FS English is sufficient.

Not all children are destined to be academic high fliers, but getting those level 2s in English and Maths can enable them to progress in their chosen area.

ForTheForseeable · 27/01/2026 08:19

magicalmadmadamim · 27/01/2026 07:30

I am grateful for the posters who have given me useful information, as a side note to do with his behaviour i am not excusing what he has done, but people make mistakes! I have no idea why other non muslim students are even allowed in the prayer room in the first place.
To everyone else on their high horses, how does it feel calling a 16 year old child horrible names for fucking up once?
Must be nice to be so god damn perfect.

He hasn't fucked up once. You simply don't get expelled a couple of months before your GCSEs for fucking up once.

You as bus parent are responsible for him and you have seriously let him down. But instead of taking responsibility and making steps to change this shit show you're just focusing on minimising it

x2boys · 27/01/2026 08:16

Satsuma55 · 27/01/2026 08:13

Come òn! Would you be happy if your 16 year old had these....after all those years at school?

If you read my above post im over the moon my 19 year old has passed his Functional skills English ,after a terrible year 11
I dont why you think they are not GCSE equivalent, but you cant just decide they are not.

Yodeldodeldo · 27/01/2026 08:14

I think if he has a change of mind set now, and also you do OP, and also the father, he could move on from the episode of stupidity and immaturity.

If both of you still fail to acknowlege your own shortcomings and blame shift, then he's going to need endless bailouts throughout his adult life.

Satsuma55 · 27/01/2026 08:13

x2boys · 27/01/2026 08:07

They are not ,they are level 2 qualifications wether you like that or not 🙄🙄🙄🙄

Come òn! Would you be happy if your 16 year old had these....after all those years at school?

x2boys · 27/01/2026 08:07

Satsuma55 · 27/01/2026 08:03

THEY ARE !

They are not ,they are level 2 qualifications wether you like that or not 🙄🙄🙄🙄

Laserwho · 27/01/2026 08:07

magicalmadmadamim · 27/01/2026 07:30

I am grateful for the posters who have given me useful information, as a side note to do with his behaviour i am not excusing what he has done, but people make mistakes! I have no idea why other non muslim students are even allowed in the prayer room in the first place.
To everyone else on their high horses, how does it feel calling a 16 year old child horrible names for fucking up once?
Must be nice to be so god damn perfect.

But it wasn't once. You don't get expelled fir doing something once.

Satsuma55 · 27/01/2026 08:03

magicalmadmadamim · 27/01/2026 07:56

Functional skills at level 2 are not 'incredibly low level' 🙄

THEY ARE !

magicalmadmadamim · 27/01/2026 07:56

Oldfriendleave · 27/01/2026 07:54

'if' he completes the course. Really.

So he's mucked around for years, got expelled, failed all his exams (which is entirely his own doing), managed elsewhere to get to incredibly low-level qualifications, and has been given another chance at education through this course. Then he says it's 'too easy' and you aren't even sure he'll stick the one-year course out and tell what June or July.

Aren't you concerned about his lack of motivation and commitment to anything?

Functional skills at level 2 are not 'incredibly low level' 🙄

OP posts:
Oldfriendleave · 27/01/2026 07:54

magicalmadmadamim · 27/01/2026 07:25

I have done some research and most colleges in the UK are asking 4 GCSEs but Ireland is just 2 GCSEs.
I looked at the level 1 courses he is currently on. If he completes them he can progress onto the level 2 BTEC next year.

'if' he completes the course. Really.

So he's mucked around for years, got expelled, failed all his exams (which is entirely his own doing), managed elsewhere to get to incredibly low-level qualifications, and has been given another chance at education through this course. Then he says it's 'too easy' and you aren't even sure he'll stick the one-year course out and tell what June or July.

Aren't you concerned about his lack of motivation and commitment to anything?

BalladOfBarryAndFreda · 27/01/2026 07:51

Thepeopleversuswork · 27/01/2026 07:50

OP I am sorry because this has been a pile on but your son doesn’t have a hope of turning this around until you and his dad stop minimising this and face up to hpw badly he’s fucked up.

He can totally redeem himself but not if you keep making excuses for him.

And themselves. The parents need to take responsibility for their failures. This boy has not failed in a vacuum.

Thepeopleversuswork · 27/01/2026 07:50

magicalmadmadamim · 27/01/2026 07:30

I am grateful for the posters who have given me useful information, as a side note to do with his behaviour i am not excusing what he has done, but people make mistakes! I have no idea why other non muslim students are even allowed in the prayer room in the first place.
To everyone else on their high horses, how does it feel calling a 16 year old child horrible names for fucking up once?
Must be nice to be so god damn perfect.

OP I am sorry because this has been a pile on but your son doesn’t have a hope of turning this around until you and his dad stop minimising this and face up to hpw badly he’s fucked up.

He can totally redeem himself but not if you keep making excuses for him.

x2boys · 27/01/2026 07:50

CatkinToadflax · 26/01/2026 20:04

Loving the unusual animal anecdotes. My son was born extremely prematurely and had a brain bleed at birth. He has multiple complex disabilities. I can’t put into words how proud I am of him for passing maths and English Functional Skills. I have lived experience that they are counted as GCSE grade 4 passes. He went on to get a Distinction Star in his Computer Gaming T-Level. To get onto this course he needed maths and English GCSEs or Functional Skills. And yes, I’ve seen exam papers for both. They spent months on my kitchen table.

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Indeed they are
My son had a terrible time in year11 , he missed an entire half term prior to Easter due to being critically ill intensive care, whilst he was never academic this had a massive impact on his grades and he did a lot worse than predicted, three years on his still playing catch ,he s just passed his functional skills English and i am over the moon for him
Its the equivalent to a GCSE regardless of what some posters think

Sadza · 27/01/2026 07:49

2 GCSEs is a very low bar and there won’t be many opportunities available. Has he thought about retaking them?

Satsuma55 · 27/01/2026 07:44

magicalmadmadamim · 27/01/2026 07:30

I am grateful for the posters who have given me useful information, as a side note to do with his behaviour i am not excusing what he has done, but people make mistakes! I have no idea why other non muslim students are even allowed in the prayer room in the first place.
To everyone else on their high horses, how does it feel calling a 16 year old child horrible names for fucking up once?
Must be nice to be so god damn perfect.

Blimey... now it sounds like you're victim blaming " why are non Muslim students even allowed in the prayer room" 😂.
Take some responsibility will you, he hasn't fucked up once, he must have been fucking up for years and years to leave school with no GCSEs. Did you not notice he was failing?

x2boys · 27/01/2026 07:37

CantBreathe90 · 26/01/2026 22:24

It sounds like you are making excuses for him, sorry OP! Two GCSEs is pretty appallingly imo; unless he's really thick, he can't have applied himself on any level. I didn't go into school the last three or four weeks when doing my GCSEs, because I found it easier to revise at home and got 10 GCSEs A* through to B. He would presumably have already handed in any coursework beforehand, and so the marks from that would already have been decided?

I'd try and (subtly) get him to view it as a bit of a life lesson. If you're not arsed working towards something, the options you get might well be fewer and more dull. If he works hard at the courses he's currently on, he'll be likely to have better options going forward. But if the spin is "poor him, he didn't do anything wrong but now he's being made to do something beneath him because he's clever really and deserves better", he'll happily believe it, which won't serve him well.

You must be pretty thick yourself not to realise that everyone has different academic abilities
Some of the replies on this thread are pretty awful and very narrow minded.

SALaw · 27/01/2026 07:32

magicalmadmadamim · 26/01/2026 12:45

When I say friends, i meant most of the people in his year group. He still got to sit the exams just was not allowed back at school.

Most people in his year group failed their GCSEs?! I’d think that is a pretty unusual situation for any school?

magicalmadmadamim · 27/01/2026 07:30

I am grateful for the posters who have given me useful information, as a side note to do with his behaviour i am not excusing what he has done, but people make mistakes! I have no idea why other non muslim students are even allowed in the prayer room in the first place.
To everyone else on their high horses, how does it feel calling a 16 year old child horrible names for fucking up once?
Must be nice to be so god damn perfect.

OP posts:
magicalmadmadamim · 27/01/2026 07:25

mumof1or2 · 26/01/2026 23:54

You absolutely do not need 4 GCSEs to take BTEC Level 2 Business Studies! Level 2 is the equivalent to a GCSE (Level 3 is the equivalent to an A Level). The actual course is irrelevant - to take any Level 3 course you need 4 GCSEs including English and Maths. There are no entry requirements for Level 2 courses and if he already has Level 2 functional skills in English and maths then he’s more than qualified. Go on the exam board website (Pearson) find the course details and it will have the entry requirements on there. Show this to his college and question why they are stopping him from doing the course.

I have done some research and most colleges in the UK are asking 4 GCSEs but Ireland is just 2 GCSEs.
I looked at the level 1 courses he is currently on. If he completes them he can progress onto the level 2 BTEC next year.

OP posts:
OneBadKitty · 27/01/2026 07:20

YABU, if he can't pass GCSE's then he is unlikely to do well at business studies which involves a good understanding of maths at the very least. The entry levels to the course are there to enable the college to select students who have the potential to do well.

Being at a functional level in English is a pretty low bar to be starting from.

AzureFinch · 27/01/2026 06:57

Firstly, your son messed up. You're ex dropped the ball. He did messed about and didn't take it seriously. He got poor results.
Secondly, your son is reporting all this so take it with a pinch of salt.
He needs to get his head down. This is the consequence of a wasted chance.

MJagain · 27/01/2026 06:36

magicalmadmadamim · 26/01/2026 12:58

The one he complains about is called Technical skills, which he says isn't challenging enough.

Is he getting full marks in his assessments?

Thepeopleversuswork · 27/01/2026 06:14

RampantIvy · 26/01/2026 22:56

I feel that this boy has been failed. Failed by his parents and failed by his school.

I also think there must be a back story. Why would a mother move a long distance away from her child? Was it an abusive marriage? Has the boy been abused by his father? Is the boy dyslexic?

It all sounds terribly dysfunctional. It's no wonder he mucked about in class, because he wanted the attention he wasn't getting at home. He behaves badly because he has no boundaries.

There is more to this than the OP is telling us.

I completely agree. This has been a proper pile-on, and rightly because the boy has been lazy and ill motivated and an Islamophobic bully and seems now to want to be bailed out again and again. The OP seems in massive denial about how poorly he has performed, both academically and morally.

But at the heart of this is a child who has not been parented.

Redpaisley · 27/01/2026 06:10

21secondstopassthemic · 26/01/2026 21:00

To put it incredibly bluntly, your son is uneducated, despite having no diagnosed SEN. Why would anybody want an uneducated, racist little toerag disrupting their college course? 2 GCSEs is utterly diabolical and quite frankly inexcusable; expulsions are only given in the most extreme circumstances so his behaviour must have put other students in danger. Your son is likely to end up in prison if he continues to behave in a similar manner.

Unfortunately, it is evident that his behaviour been enabled by his hapless mother who makes excuse after excuse for him and minimises his behaviour as "horseplay" and his expulsion as "out of order". You need to look at areas where your parenting has fallen short and discipline your son. Maybe find him some menial, minimum work to begin with where he actually has to graft.

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toerag??

He has one parent living abroad, not sure for how long, and other parent working long hours.

He is a neglected child who has gone off rails. He needs guidance and support, not being called names.

Redpaisley · 27/01/2026 05:34

RabbitFurCoat · 26/01/2026 16:31

I'm retraining, software development, on a bootcamp that's been v intense and left me with reams more learning to do before I can realistically be employed - most ppl have some experience before starting, which I haven't had, it's not a course issue. Someone else on my course completed an unrelated degree, got a masters in comp studies, has done this and now has a place on a sofdev apprenticeship. My son is techy, he was home ed, has spent a lot of free time coding as well as gaming, is now in secondary so he can get quals to eventually do something similar. A lot of people want tech careers - from my perspective it seems to take a lot to get into it. Not always, but the right combo of self driven, comms skills and problem solving, jumping from one zone to the next and picking up new things quickly, requires a range of solid skills - especially if the quals are thin.

Apprenticeships I've looked at I believe want more than 2 GCSEs - I can't find the ones I was browsing this morning, and can't remember - my sticking point is my tech knowledge and experience, not GCSEs, so I didn't retain the number required. However, I think there are probably different types of apprenticeships too - there are agencies who do this on behalf of businesses. If he's not already coding, get him on Scratch and Khan Academy. If he really gets into it, freeCodeCamp is great, and The Odin Project will take him far if he's willing to go steady and in-depth. All free.

I know I am going off topic but are there enough jobs for software developers to retrain in this field? I read AI has reduced the demand for developers substantially.