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To think that 4 G.C.S.E's needed to do business studies is ridiculous

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magicalmadmadamim · 26/01/2026 12:17

My eldest DS is 16 and been at college since September. He has 2 G.C.S.E equivalent certificates in English and Maths.
I'm sure back when I was in college business studies was always a foundation course?
He really wanted to do business studies and they have put him on some really rubbish courses that he is super bored with.
Is it me or is education getting much harder now?
Hardly any of his school friends passed any g.c.s.e's :(

OP posts:
howshouldibehave · 26/01/2026 12:49

bit of teenage horseplay.

Nobody gets permanently excluded a few weeks before their GCSEs for this. It sounds like you are massively minimising what he did to excuse his behaviour.

You telling him that 'needing 4 GCSE's to do Business Studies is ridiculous' is not doing him any favours either.

In two years, this child will become an adult who will be entering the workforce believing he's hard done by and the world owes him a living because his mum seemingly excuses everything he does.

Why doesn't he knuckle down and get a set of GCSEs this year (without engaging in any behaviour that would get him expelled) at college to show his hard work and commitment, and then go and study business studies with those under his belt.

SargeMarge · 26/01/2026 12:49

magicalmadmadamim · 26/01/2026 12:45

When I say friends, i meant most of the people in his year group. He still got to sit the exams just was not allowed back at school.

So he was allowed to sit the exams but failed? And you think he should now be given the chance at a higher course? Why? If he can’t manage a few GCSEs then he’ll fail that too.

He needs to sort himself out and take his school work seriously, and get some GCSEs now then look into higher education or go for an apprenticeship in something he is capable of. But he does need to sort himself out. He’ll be an adult before he knows it and he needs a way to support himself so he has to find that way. It doesn’t need to be academic.

WtfdidIjustsee · 26/01/2026 12:49

Swiftie1878 · 26/01/2026 12:37

I don’t think I understand. Putting students who aren’t able to achieve GCSE’s on a higher level course is just setting them up to fail and wasting everyone’s time and resources, surely?

Not necessarily. As long as they meet some basic requirements and have motivation for the course it makes sense.

KimTheresPeopleThatAreDying · 26/01/2026 12:48

He needs to realise that not everything in life that’s worthwhile is completely fascinating for him but that he still needs to engage if he wants to get anywhere.

ghostyslovesheets · 26/01/2026 12:48

Level 2 is equal to 4 GCSEs - a lot of BTEC l 3’s have a minimum of 4 4’s including maths and or English. The level 2 is the 1 year pathway to L3 and he needs to suck it up!

my daughter is on L2 childcare because she needed a 5 in English for T level and got a 4. Not all kids pass 4+ and it’s not easy for everyone or down to lack of effort- my daughter has an acquired brain injury following illness and it impacts her memory and processing skills. I was damn proud she passed maths, English, art and one science!

she’s going to do an apprenticeship next year

magicalmadmadamim · 26/01/2026 12:47

KimTheresPeopleThatAreDying · 26/01/2026 12:47

So on that basis the expulsion shouldn’t have had much of an effect on his grades surely?

No. He geniunely did struggle with them but got the functional skills no problem.

OP posts:
LIZS · 26/01/2026 12:47

Level 2 is gcse equivalent. So if your ds has less than 5 he cannot progress onto a higher level course. You need a basic level of maths and literacy to grasp the content. Lower levels, if offered, will basically be embedded numeracy and literacy.

KimTheresPeopleThatAreDying · 26/01/2026 12:47

So on that basis the expulsion shouldn’t have had much of an effect on his grades surely?

magicalmadmadamim · 26/01/2026 12:47

Oldfriendleave · 26/01/2026 12:42

I'm confused. I thought you didn't in the UK and haven't done so for years, so why are you talking about GCSE's and functional skills exams?

Edited

No need to be confused, he doesn't live with me full time he lives with his dad.

OP posts:
Candymay · 26/01/2026 12:47

no I think it’s standard that you should pass your GCSEs. Why are his friends all doing so badly? It’s not a high expectation to pass 4 GCSEs. They have been at school studying to pass the exams for years. You have to be pretty uninterested to be taught from year 10 and then to fail the paper.
if studying is not his thing why does he want to do business as a qualification?
it’s definitely not unreasonable to expect people to show competence at the bare minimum before awarding a place on a higher education course. Imagine how it would be to study on a course where the other students were not able but were given the place anyway. It would be incredibly frustrating.

Coconutter24 · 26/01/2026 12:47

noworklifebalance · 26/01/2026 12:39

I mean this kindly, OP but are you in some sort of denial? In the absence of serious SEN, I think 4 GCSEs (what grade?) and expulsion is not great at all. Although it may seem good if many left his school with no GCSEs, which I find mind boggling.

He only got 2 GCSEs.

What was he excluded for OP? I doubt it was as minor as you think

Rhubarb24 · 26/01/2026 12:46

Swiftie1878 · 26/01/2026 12:37

I don’t think I understand. Putting students who aren’t able to achieve GCSE’s on a higher level course is just setting them up to fail and wasting everyone’s time and resources, surely?

He's not doing a higher level course. He's doing a Level 2 course, which is the same level as a GCSE.

magicalmadmadamim · 26/01/2026 12:45

SargeMarge · 26/01/2026 12:43

No on gets expelled a few weeks before their exams and banned from sitting them. Not for “nothing.” So something very bad happened, and it sounds like he was also in with the wrong crowd if none of his friends passed their exams. Possibly in the group of wasters really? With poor behaviour and poor study ethic and all the rest of it.

He needs to sort himself out. He should be trying to get his GCSEs now, and planning for the future and sorting out his behaviour as well.

When I say friends, i meant most of the people in his year group. He still got to sit the exams just was not allowed back at school.

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Boredoflunch1 · 26/01/2026 12:44

It won't have been a minor incident. As predicted, this type of minimising his behaviour has eventually had a long term consequence. L2 Business is equivalent to GCSE.

SargeMarge · 26/01/2026 12:43

No on gets expelled a few weeks before their exams and banned from sitting them. Not for “nothing.” So something very bad happened, and it sounds like he was also in with the wrong crowd if none of his friends passed their exams. Possibly in the group of wasters really? With poor behaviour and poor study ethic and all the rest of it.

He needs to sort himself out. He should be trying to get his GCSEs now, and planning for the future and sorting out his behaviour as well.

magicalmadmadamim · 26/01/2026 12:43

BalladOfBarryAndFreda · 26/01/2026 12:36

My guess is that a school would be VERY reluctant to expel a student at such a critical point, so I would question your statement re it being a minor incident.

Edited

It was no more than him and a group of young lads indulging in basically a bit of teenage horseplay. The problem was that another student recorded it on their phone and it went around tik tok.
No drugs, smoking, violence or girls were involved but the school really didn't like it.
He admitted afterwards it was stupid and he wasn't thinking! Suspension would have sufficed to teach him a lesson.

OP posts:
Oldfriendleave · 26/01/2026 12:42

I'm confused. I thought you didn't in the UK and haven't done so for years, so why are you talking about GCSE's and functional skills exams?

noworklifebalance · 26/01/2026 12:41

EgregiouslyOverdressed · 26/01/2026 12:36

It's pretty much unheard of these days for a year 11 to be permanently excluded a few weeks before their exams. Ofsted are rightly incredibly hot on this as it can constitute off-rolling.

Except in the most extreme of circumstances the student will usually be put on early study leave, and be permitted to sit their exams but usually in a separate room. It's very unusual that this wasn't the case for your son.

Yes, this - better explains why I wonder there is an element denial or lack of awareness by OP.

Parker231 · 26/01/2026 12:41

magicalmadmadamim · 26/01/2026 12:17

My eldest DS is 16 and been at college since September. He has 2 G.C.S.E equivalent certificates in English and Maths.
I'm sure back when I was in college business studies was always a foundation course?
He really wanted to do business studies and they have put him on some really rubbish courses that he is super bored with.
Is it me or is education getting much harder now?
Hardly any of his school friends passed any g.c.s.e's :(

Should he not be back trying to get a decent set of GCSE passes with good grades. He’s need them to move onto higher education. What does he want to do long term?

takealettermsjones · 26/01/2026 12:40

I think the expulsion changes things rather a lot. I would suggest that he needs to knuckle down and put up with the "boring" courses, he is at risk of throwing away his education. What courses is he doing? Are they GCSEs?

noworklifebalance · 26/01/2026 12:39

magicalmadmadamim · 26/01/2026 12:32

He have never been great in a school environment but is very switched on with techy things, he already has a little side hustle online which is doing well.
He is very interested in economics, investing etc.
Sadly he was expelled a few weeks before his exams which IMO was completely out of order. It wasn't worth expulsion at all.
Because of this he got to do 'Functional skills' english and maths and passed.

I mean this kindly, OP but are you in some sort of denial? In the absence of serious SEN, I think 4 GCSEs (what grade?) and expulsion is not great at all. Although it may seem good if many left his school with no GCSEs, which I find mind boggling.

chellewillnotbebeaten · 26/01/2026 12:38

Although I’m going back many many years ago than I care to admit……. I found gcse business a challenge as a ‘reasonably’ academic (with effort) person……. I don’t think 4 GCSE’s to study it at a higher level is unreasonable. That is no disrespect to your son, he just needs to find something to suit his needs and abilities, just like everyone does x

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 26/01/2026 12:37

I think he should apply himself and complete his current courses rather than declaring himself “super bored” so early on.

I expect college need to see he can apply himself!

LVhandbagsatdawn · 26/01/2026 12:37

Right, well if it's the environment he struggles with then can he study privately for the exams and try to get a few more under his belt?

Swiftie1878 · 26/01/2026 12:37

WtfdidIjustsee · 26/01/2026 12:33

It’s about time the requirements for courses were widened with two entry paths. One traditional GCSE based set of criteria and another non GCSE set for those without formal qualifications for whatever reason. This would help with employment rates later on.

I don’t think I understand. Putting students who aren’t able to achieve GCSE’s on a higher level course is just setting them up to fail and wasting everyone’s time and resources, surely?