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To think that 4 G.C.S.E's needed to do business studies is ridiculous

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magicalmadmadamim · 26/01/2026 12:17

My eldest DS is 16 and been at college since September. He has 2 G.C.S.E equivalent certificates in English and Maths.
I'm sure back when I was in college business studies was always a foundation course?
He really wanted to do business studies and they have put him on some really rubbish courses that he is super bored with.
Is it me or is education getting much harder now?
Hardly any of his school friends passed any g.c.s.e's :(

OP posts:
WearyAuldWumman · 26/01/2026 14:21

Octavia64 · 26/01/2026 14:15

They call it uniformed services preparation these days I believe,

Thank you.

BunnyLake · 26/01/2026 14:20

Bess91 · 26/01/2026 14:13

Hardly any of his school friends passed any g.c.s.e's :(

This is not normal, unless there's a drip feed that he and all his friends have learning difficulties? What the hell.

Or they spend all their time loitering on street corners and parks late at night.

I think you are in denial OP. Your ds has obviously put in minimal effort regardless of expulsion (if he was expelled so close to exams surely he would have had most of his study and revision under his belt anyway. It also sounds like he is not keeping good company if all his friends pretty much failed their exams too.

DevonRules · 26/01/2026 14:20

Mydogisagentleman · 26/01/2026 13:17

Is your DS a member of the manoverse or whatever ridiculous term Tate uses,
I was horrified to find out that my DD ex partner was a fully paid up member.
His 'successful ' FOREX endeavours earned him about £3.30 in 3 years

Off topic, but it’s quite scary that there are so many teenage boys who are now under the impression that they are going to “start their own business” and make a fortune because of Andrew Tate. Several of my 19 year old’s school contemporaries have said to him that this is their plan in life, with no apparent thought about what business they are actually going to create.

magicalmadmadamim · 26/01/2026 14:20

BalladOfBarryAndFreda · 26/01/2026 14:18

It can be caused by both things, to be fair.

No he is not at all violent where did you get that from?

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magicalmadmadamim · 26/01/2026 14:19

CatBooksWineInThatOrder · 26/01/2026 13:48

He can do an apprenticeship in tech, apprenticeships aren’t all building, joinery etc. I’d tell him to look up tech apprenticeships and see if there are any with employers that align to his area of interest.

Yes i think this will be the next option if he doesn't want to continue with the college.

OP posts:
Biskieboo · 26/01/2026 14:18

Bess91 · 26/01/2026 14:13

Hardly any of his school friends passed any g.c.s.e's :(

This is not normal, unless there's a drip feed that he and all his friends have learning difficulties? What the hell.

Probably just bullshit that the OP was all too ready to believe.

BalladOfBarryAndFreda · 26/01/2026 14:18

Balloonhearts · 26/01/2026 14:15

A bit of teenage horseplay? Yeah ok. So he's immature, violent, didn't even put in the bare minimum effort to pass his exams and you're wondering why they won't let him onto a college course...

OP, even I passed all my subjects at GCSE and I handed in a grand total of 3 pieces of coursework. Scraping a pass isn't that hard. You don't end up with no GCSEs through not being academic, it's a lack of effort.

It can be caused by both things, to be fair.

BalladOfBarryAndFreda · 26/01/2026 14:17

Butonlyjust · 26/01/2026 14:12

Do you live in the same country as your son @magicalmadmadamim ?

No, a post at 12.4? confirms that the DS lives in the UK and OP hasn't for some time.

Alltheyellowbirds · 26/01/2026 14:15

Agree with others that four GCSE’s is very low indeed, especially if you’re just talking about getting a pass. No criticism of kids who can’t manage that, but to expect to go onto further academic study without meeting this baseline is odd.

Suggest DS either resits his GCSEs so that he gets the required four, or looks for something less academic instead.

Octavia64 · 26/01/2026 14:15

WearyAuldWumman · 26/01/2026 13:43

Our local college used to run an Army Preparation course. (It might still be running, I guess.)

It was set at a very low level and those who passed were then allowed into Basic Training.

Lord help us, we had one former pupil who - it turns out - thought that he actually was in the army. (It didn't seem strange to him that he was going home to his mum every night.)

He managed to complete the course somehow, but didn't make it through Basic Training. My understanding is that he was told to leave very early on.

I've just Googled. The last mention that I can find of that course is 2017:

"Army Preparation at xxx College is a full-time course which focuses on Core Skills, fitness and transferable skills. As well as fitness work, you’ll study map reading and land navigation, circuit and resistance training, and a range of sports activities which include climbing, hill walking, mountain biking and orienteering."

I suspect that the army had to inform the college that the course wasn't fit for purpose.

They call it uniformed services preparation these days I believe,

Balloonhearts · 26/01/2026 14:15

A bit of teenage horseplay? Yeah ok. So he's immature, violent, didn't even put in the bare minimum effort to pass his exams and you're wondering why they won't let him onto a college course...

OP, even I passed all my subjects at GCSE and I handed in a grand total of 3 pieces of coursework. Scraping a pass isn't that hard. You don't end up with no GCSEs through not being academic, it's a lack of effort.

BunnyLake · 26/01/2026 14:15

magicalmadmadamim · 26/01/2026 13:44

He doesn't live with me and his dad works long hours. i'm doing what i can from a long distance.

Unfortunately this has probably had a detrimental effect on him, even if not intentional.

FartyAnimal · 26/01/2026 14:15

English and maths functional skills are what students do (generally) when they have either repeatedly failed their GCSEs, or have no chance of passing them at all.

Bess91 · 26/01/2026 14:13

Hardly any of his school friends passed any g.c.s.e's :(

This is not normal, unless there's a drip feed that he and all his friends have learning difficulties? What the hell.

x2boys · 26/01/2026 14:13

Looneytune253 · 26/01/2026 14:03

To be fair missing a Cpl of months of school before his exams should not have caused grade 1 and 2s to be fair. doesn't sound like he has the academic ability for college. My daughter was very academic and unfortunately hit a bad patch before gcse and ended up 'only' with 5s and 6s. There was questions over whether she should have her place at college but with a few adjustments she went in the end. She did find it challenging though and this is with decent grades. It might be worth managing his expectations and get him into something more vocational or hands on. College will be very challenging for a child with 1s and 2s at gcse

This doesn't make sense you say your daughter was very academic and ended up with only " 5,and 6' which are still equivalent to Bs and C,s ,
But you must be aware not all kids are very academic,?
My son missed a whole half term of year 11 due to being critically ill in intensive he isn't academic and it had a detrimental affect on his already not highly predicted GCSE grades.

Butonlyjust · 26/01/2026 14:12

magicalmadmadamim · 26/01/2026 13:44

He doesn't live with me and his dad works long hours. i'm doing what i can from a long distance.

Do you live in the same country as your son @magicalmadmadamim ?

80smonster · 26/01/2026 14:12

Yep, lots of OFSTED outstanding schools are churning out kids with barely any qualifications. Education needs such a huge injection of cash and there isn’t a way to fund it. I reckon they should put a charge on state education. Schools need money and those who access them should pay. Otherwise parents are going to find it awfully hard to shift grown up children from their homes, who don’t have what they need to parlay into a successful career, thus pay their own bills.

Needanadultgapyear · 26/01/2026 14:11

“The one he complains about is called Technical skills, which he says isn't challenging enough.”
You both need to view education as a ladder only when you have successfully climbed one rung can you move on to the next.
Because he hasn’t completed the level 2 rung ( getting 4 GCSEs or a level2 qualification) he can’t move on to the next rung level 3 or apprenticeship.

Maddy70 · 26/01/2026 14:11

I'm a business teacher. It isn't a foundation course it's robust A level with high standards as any other A level is. If he isn't very bright he will certainly struggle with the course and the depth of analysis required in the essay questions

trappedCatAsleepOnMe · 26/01/2026 14:08

BalladOfBarryAndFreda · 26/01/2026 13:49

Are there any other adults on the scene or has your son basically been left to his own devices?

I wondered this as well.

My DC summer born - ND/SEN and school that went to shit while they were there - but all did well becuase they had a lot of parental input. It took a lot of work when SLT turned on DS just before GCSE to get him focused and not blow the lot - same with DD2 and two subjects with dire teachers - getting though to them teachers won't be impacted of they do bad they will was hard.

If you are aboard and getting second hand info - not sure you can do much but encourage him to stay on level 1 course till done and seek some local careers advice.

TunnocksOrDeath · 26/01/2026 14:08

The people running the college have to give places to students who have proven they have the aptitude to benefit from them. He has to accept that on paper he's achieved virtually nothing so far in the way of proving his skills. I just looked at some Functional Skills Level 1 papers on line and it's stuff we were doing in the top year at primary school. So he just needs to focus on proving that he's got the talent to benefit from the course by achieving the prerequisites. Moaning that the course "isn't challenging enough" is fairly childish behaviour from a 16 year old, particularly one who didn't actually pass their GCSEs.

2x4greenbrick · 26/01/2026 14:07

The permanent exclusion is a red herring. That isn’t why the college won’t admit DS to a level 2 course. DS still sat GCSEs and even if he hadn’t been permanently excluded it is unlikely he would have got GCSEs at grade 4+.

GCSE grades 1&2 are level 1 passes.

On the whole DC who get grades 1&2 at GCSE would struggle jumping straight into a level 2 course. Obviously there will be a few exceptions.

Functional Skills come in various levels. Whether they are the same level as GCSEs will depend on what level functional skills DS sat. They are accepted by some employers but not others.

CatBooksWineInThatOrder · 26/01/2026 14:06

Slightyamusedandsilly · 26/01/2026 13:50

GCSE maths and English grade 5 needed for apprenticeships.

I should have given a fuller answer! I’d suggest re-doing the GCSEs if circumstances rather than ability was the issue. He’ll not get far without English and Maths really.

TolkienProd · 26/01/2026 14:06

magicalmadmadamim · 26/01/2026 13:15

Thanks for the useful replies.
I think it is a matter of sticking it out until the end of the year to prove himself. We haven't ruled out the possibility of an apprenticeship if college doesn't work out although he has no interest in practical things like building etc. He likes the idea of cooking but not overly passionate.
For now he has his server he made on minecraft and it is doing well so far.

Can’t believe nobody has commented on this. Wtf does a Minecraft server have to do with anything?

Butonlyjust · 26/01/2026 14:05

Hardly any of his school friends passed any g.c.s.e's :(

I would bet none of them so much as opened a book to revise for 10 mins