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To think that 4 G.C.S.E's needed to do business studies is ridiculous

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magicalmadmadamim · 26/01/2026 12:17

My eldest DS is 16 and been at college since September. He has 2 G.C.S.E equivalent certificates in English and Maths.
I'm sure back when I was in college business studies was always a foundation course?
He really wanted to do business studies and they have put him on some really rubbish courses that he is super bored with.
Is it me or is education getting much harder now?
Hardly any of his school friends passed any g.c.s.e's :(

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BoudiccaRuled · 26/01/2026 16:02

CraftyMintHedgehog · 26/01/2026 12:34

I've taught for years and the majority of kids can get a pass at a GCSE if they put the effort in.

It a whole group of them didn't pass then it suggests a group mentality of not doing enough work.

One of my Y11s wants to join the army. Apparently that means he doesn't need any GCSEs so he is refusing to do any work and decided his mocks werent worth any effort. He is going to be in for a nasty shock in the army.

He will also automatically be put in the infantry, won't he? Much better to get as good GCSE results as possible so he can get into a more interesting corps. Then he can have further training with many leaving the army with degrees in engineering etc. A great career path but would be better if he worked hard now.

Maybeitllneverhappen · 26/01/2026 15:57

What usually happens in these cases is they are only allowed to be on site for each exam and must be delivered and collected promptly before and after.

RedToothBrush · 26/01/2026 15:54

BestZebbie · 26/01/2026 15:50

Ah, I thought he wasn't allowed to do the GCSEs due to expulsion hence having to sit Functional Skills to get Maths and English instead (rather than GCSE).

He was allowed to sit other exams though from what's been said.

BestZebbie · 26/01/2026 15:50

Alltheyellowbirds · 26/01/2026 15:46

But he was still allowed to do the GCSEs at school despite being expelled. He just didn’t pass them.

Ah, I thought he wasn't allowed to do the GCSEs due to expulsion hence having to sit Functional Skills to get Maths and English instead (rather than GCSE).

Taxiparent · 26/01/2026 15:49

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RedToothBrush · 26/01/2026 15:49

My friend's daughter has just got her mock results. They sit old papers at the end of December. So by the end of December before the year do their actual exams they've already done most of the course and the kids will be getting results based on real papers.

Apparently the kids who have failed to get four passes are being pulled out now for a rocket up the arse and extra support.

So it would have been known that there was a problem by Christmas last year that he wasn't putting in the effort....

Alltheyellowbirds · 26/01/2026 15:46

BestZebbie · 26/01/2026 15:45

If he had done the whole course and was likely to pass then for no-coursework GCSEs you can just book the exams yourself through an exams centre such as Tutors and Exams and sit the papers as a private candidate - it does cost a few hundred pounds per exam though. You'd need to find out which exam board he has been studying so he sat the right one, as the content differs slightly. If there was something he was great at but can't do at GCSE privately due to coursework (and they wont accept the school's word for the coursework he has already done) then you can sit IGCSE, which is an "international" GCSE aimed at expats such as military families and is exactly the same as GCSE but exam-only. You can buy the IGCSE textbook to check he revises the right stuff.

But he was still allowed to do the GCSEs at school despite being expelled. He just didn’t pass them.

BestZebbie · 26/01/2026 15:45

magicalmadmadamim · 26/01/2026 12:32

He have never been great in a school environment but is very switched on with techy things, he already has a little side hustle online which is doing well.
He is very interested in economics, investing etc.
Sadly he was expelled a few weeks before his exams which IMO was completely out of order. It wasn't worth expulsion at all.
Because of this he got to do 'Functional skills' english and maths and passed.

If he had done the whole course and was likely to pass then for no-coursework GCSEs you can just book the exams yourself through an exams centre such as Tutors and Exams and sit the papers as a private candidate - it does cost a few hundred pounds per exam though. You'd need to find out which exam board he has been studying so he sat the right one, as the content differs slightly. If there was something he was great at but can't do at GCSE privately due to coursework (and they wont accept the school's word for the coursework he has already done) then you can sit IGCSE, which is an "international" GCSE aimed at expats such as military families and is exactly the same as GCSE but exam-only. You can buy the IGCSE textbook to check he revises the right stuff.

Sensiblesal · 26/01/2026 15:43

magicalmadmadamim · 26/01/2026 13:15

Thanks for the useful replies.
I think it is a matter of sticking it out until the end of the year to prove himself. We haven't ruled out the possibility of an apprenticeship if college doesn't work out although he has no interest in practical things like building etc. He likes the idea of cooking but not overly passionate.
For now he has his server he made on minecraft and it is doing well so far.

with respect, if he wants to be a cook/chef what on earth does he need business studies for.

he needs to stick this year out so he can access the higher level courses or go back and repeat his gcses.

but I think it really depends on what he wants his career path to look like. An apprenticeship in chosen industry even at an entry level in say business admin would open doors for him witth a good employer.

what were his predicted grades before he was expelled? If they were still gonna be fails then no point repeating.

4 gcses is not too high, this lack of gcses will definitely hinder him with higher level courses/employment in a business environment.

AmusedMember · 26/01/2026 15:37

My daughter picked business studies, it's a difficult course. She got 8 in maths, and a 6 in English and she finds it challenging! And that's with her applying herself and doing a lot of work at home!

I'm not trying to gloat but if he's not that way inclined then maybe this isn't the course for him?

Alltheyellowbirds · 26/01/2026 15:36

Laserwho · 26/01/2026 15:19

If he missed the last 2 months of school before GCSE this shouldn't have affected his grades. At my child's school all teaching was finished and from that point they all revised. He should have had all this knowledge to pass his GCSE. The problem is he was messing around throughout high school. He should have achieved far more than two GCSE at grades 1-2 . And using summer born is a complete cop out. I have a summer born and they achieved grades 6-9 in every subject. College won't want him in a higher class as his behaviour will affect the learning of the other students. Completely unfair.

I was thinking same. Can’t understand how OP has written of the complete failure of his GCSEs as the school’s fault for expelling him when by the point he was expelled teaching would have been finished (or very nearly) and everyone would have been revising. He was allowed back in for the exams. Why weren’t his parents making him sit down and spend the period between expulsion and exams revising his arse off?

Plus there would surely have been coursework etc in the two years prior which would have counted towards his grades - if he had already failed those too then that’s nothing to do with the expulsion.

Re the expulsion itself OP was very vague about what the high jinks that ended up on TikTok actually were…

LancashireButterPie · 26/01/2026 15:34

If he likes tech, and is able to cope with the discipline, what about exploring roles in the Royal Navy, RAF or Army?

BalladOfBarryAndFreda · 26/01/2026 15:29

RedToothBrush · 26/01/2026 15:21

Having seen the comments about Minecraft, I wonder if he just spent all his time on Minecraft rather than studying when he needed to.

Thinking that running a Minecraft server is somehow going to be a gateway to a career would be part of the problem. It's no good being great at doing that but not wanting to do he boring financial stuff around the side. And you can't learn that stuff anyway if you are too busy playing Minecraft.

His basic issue seems to be that really hard like to play Minecraft all day and opt out of growing up and taking responsibility that comes with being a grown up and in overly encouraging this you are trapped in a cycle of never giving him the rocket up his arse to tell him that's not how real life works.

As I say attitude and maturity.

Being bored and doing shit you don't want is part of becoming an adult. When are you going to stop enabling him to be a child rather than a young adult?

and as a PP says, the 'economics' stuff smells of cryptobro nonsense. Neither of which have any real credibility and their potential for success is minuscule. OP's DS needs a solid plan A, with those as his hobbies.

edited to add - He also needs good, solid parental support to go along with his solid plan A, to keep him on track.

trappedCatAsleepOnMe · 26/01/2026 15:29

Laserwho · 26/01/2026 15:19

If he missed the last 2 months of school before GCSE this shouldn't have affected his grades. At my child's school all teaching was finished and from that point they all revised. He should have had all this knowledge to pass his GCSE. The problem is he was messing around throughout high school. He should have achieved far more than two GCSE at grades 1-2 . And using summer born is a complete cop out. I have a summer born and they achieved grades 6-9 in every subject. College won't want him in a higher class as his behaviour will affect the learning of the other students. Completely unfair.

Can affect attitude - took a lot to keep DS on track when his SLT got nasty and we lucky and could prove the lies - he had a fuck it all attutude that took a lot of turning round - two parents and a plan needing grades in place. He did well no issue at college now at uni doing well.

Same with DD2 - two god awful teachers - and meeting them could see the issue- she develped if they can't be arse or don't think me capable why bother - and they'll hate it when I get poor results. Again lots of home support to get back on track and pointing out long term no effect on teacher but huge on her.

It may be long standing issue -- in which case parents should have helped him develop a plan forward and have realistic expectations- or it could be last minute derailment -and kid upset still becuase didn't think long term consquences.

Though whole shcool year having poor results if it's a good school in a good area sounds very unlikely - my DC school did but was in special measure and in a socially deprived neigbourhood - so more expected and more resources put in place to deal with it.

Ladyfromthehill · 26/01/2026 15:27

x2boys · 26/01/2026 13:41

Good job we have colleges than for kids of all abilities and not just sixth forms at school with their very narrow expectations.

Yes, but I meant that college may be the way to go, not A Levels. And depending on the college, they may not have the qualification OP's son can do in the field he is interested in. He clearly either went to a college that doesnt have the offer that is suitable for the boy, or maybe what he wants to do education wise is not (yet) suitable for his current level and attitude.
Not to say he wont get there in future, but if he has been expelled from a school months before his GCSEs, and OP banalises it as the school being unfair, this shows a much bigger issue than just the student's ability.

RedToothBrush · 26/01/2026 15:21

Having seen the comments about Minecraft, I wonder if he just spent all his time on Minecraft rather than studying when he needed to.

Thinking that running a Minecraft server is somehow going to be a gateway to a career would be part of the problem. It's no good being great at doing that but not wanting to do he boring financial stuff around the side. And you can't learn that stuff anyway if you are too busy playing Minecraft.

His basic issue seems to be that really hard like to play Minecraft all day and opt out of growing up and taking responsibility that comes with being a grown up and in overly encouraging this you are trapped in a cycle of never giving him the rocket up his arse to tell him that's not how real life works.

As I say attitude and maturity.

Being bored and doing shit you don't want is part of becoming an adult. When are you going to stop enabling him to be a child rather than a young adult?

WhatsitWiggle · 26/01/2026 15:21

Unfortunately, you can only access Level 3 courses (Alevels and Btecs) with sufficient Level 2 qualifications. He hasn't got that, hence the foundation course which will be the equivalent of GCSEs and allow him to progress to Level 3.

As others have mentioned, the alternative route would be an apprenticeship and these do exist in business but it depends on the college so might not be available where he is currently studying.

Laserwho · 26/01/2026 15:19

If he missed the last 2 months of school before GCSE this shouldn't have affected his grades. At my child's school all teaching was finished and from that point they all revised. He should have had all this knowledge to pass his GCSE. The problem is he was messing around throughout high school. He should have achieved far more than two GCSE at grades 1-2 . And using summer born is a complete cop out. I have a summer born and they achieved grades 6-9 in every subject. College won't want him in a higher class as his behaviour will affect the learning of the other students. Completely unfair.

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x2boys · 26/01/2026 15:16

Slightyamusedandsilly · 26/01/2026 15:14

No idea. Because literally all of my ex students HAD to get a 5. One poor lad took 7 resits until he got it. BUT he's now earning nearly £29,000 at the age of 20, so I bet he thinks it was worth it.

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All the ones i look at require a grade 4 its a level 2 pass ,unless your students are going for a higher level apprenticeship?

Slightyamusedandsilly · 26/01/2026 15:14

x2boys · 26/01/2026 15:12

So why do students stop studying maths and English at college once they have a grade four 🤔

No idea. Because literally all of my ex students HAD to get a 5. One poor lad took 7 resits until he got it. BUT he's now earning nearly £29,000 at the age of 20, so I bet he thinks it was worth it.

slug · 26/01/2026 15:14

With all due respect, I think your son has failed to understand what he has been told by the College.

I worked in Further Education for a long time and I specialised in teaching the students who had spectacularly failed GCSEs. We would never put a student on a GCSE resit if they were 2 grades below a pass. This is because there has been a LOT of research in this area which shows that when students resit they typically only achieve one grade higher on their next attempt. There are obviously some exceptions to this (students who arrived the year before GCSE with limited or no English, students who missed a chunk of schooling because of hospitalisation/illness etc) A student who missed a few weeks before the exams does not fall into that category. Colleges are not in the business of setting their students up to fail. It's simply not good for the student.

A level 2 course is GCSE equivalent. He's not resitting English and Maths because the functional skills is deemed an equivalent. He's not resitting other GCSEs because his starting grades are too low. The course as a whole will be equivalent to between 1 and 4 GCSEs, the number will be determined by the grade he gets overall.

I get that he is frustrated by what he sees as the computing component being too easy. I taught computing and that's a common reaction. However, it's not all Minecraft and playing computer games as many students seem to think. At that level, foundational IT skills, the ones that businesses actually want from their employees are taught. He'll find it's more spreadsheets, databases, systems, hardware, networks, simple coding etc. I've seen plenty of students think, because they've played games all their lives and can work out technology quicker than their parents that everything else is just worthless. However, what they are good at is front end user interfaces. What they don't understand is all the work that goes into making these work. A basic knowledge of data stuctures, coding, protocols and networking is really needed to make any money making side project viable beyond a basic level.

x2boys · 26/01/2026 15:12

Slightyamusedandsilly · 26/01/2026 15:08

They need a grade 5 to pass an apprenticeship. I have 2 students in the process of applying for different apprenticeships. Both need a Grade 5. All of my students in the past have needed 5. IF a company takes them on with a 4, they have to continue resitting maths and English until they get a 5 or they can't pass their apprenticeship.

Most companies won't accept them without a 5. Those that do, require them to resit until they pass.

So why do students stop studying maths and English at college once they have a grade four 🤔

Ithinkofawittyusernamethenforgetit · 26/01/2026 15:12

BalladOfBarryAndFreda · 26/01/2026 12:29

4 GCSE passes is very basic. I don't think it's a high standard at all, no.

What's "rubbish" and boring about the courses he's doing now? Is it because he feels they are too basic for him? TBH, there's no way a college would put anyone with 2 GCSE passes on anything other than a course teaching the fundamentals.

My relative gained Maths and Science GCSEs in Y11 then did a foundation Business course and Drama GCSE in Y12, now doing Business and Drama A-levels.

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