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To think that 4 G.C.S.E's needed to do business studies is ridiculous

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magicalmadmadamim · 26/01/2026 12:17

My eldest DS is 16 and been at college since September. He has 2 G.C.S.E equivalent certificates in English and Maths.
I'm sure back when I was in college business studies was always a foundation course?
He really wanted to do business studies and they have put him on some really rubbish courses that he is super bored with.
Is it me or is education getting much harder now?
Hardly any of his school friends passed any g.c.s.e's :(

OP posts:
LIZS · 26/01/2026 18:08

magicalmadmadamim · 26/01/2026 16:54

I probably should have added more detail to the original post but i didn't think the expulsion reason would be so relevant.
Over the last couple years during years 10 and 11 he had persistant lateness, as well as generally being a bit of a backchat to the teachers, disagreeing with what they say etc, mainly because he enjoyed making other students laugh.
We had both spoken to him about these things many times and i told him to just keep his head down and get on with it rather than rocking the boat.
Anyway he has never got into serious trouble before this but the thing that got him expelled was that him and a few other friends (not close friends), took the mickey out of their other muslim friend, while he was praying in the prayer room.

Now i understand he was disrespectful, and call me naive, but to me expelling is for seriously bad behaviour when chairs get thrown at teachers or drugs are found, abusive behaviour etc.
It's obviously far too late now but i feel that suspension should have been enough for this.

Edited

So his behaviour was disruptive over a period of time and then involved in racist bullying. He sounds disengaged and disrespectful. Was there any realistic chance of him passing gcses before he was excluded? Stop minimising his involvement and acknowledge he has been let down by both parents who seem reluctant to get involved. Did you say whether FS was entry level, L1 or 2? Do you even know?

RawBloomers · 26/01/2026 18:06

housethatbuiltme · 26/01/2026 17:38

This doesn't make sense.

He was enrolled in the normal amount of GCSEs, showed up and sat them but only has 2?

What happened to the rest?

You could walk in a write 'I am a fish' 100 times and still likely get a 1 (F grade) in GCSE. It's actually almost impossible to get no grade.

My school forgot to schedule a test on the time table and the WHOLE school missed it (they didn't realize and raise it until after the start time when no one had shown up) but I still got a grade C GCSE based off the course work component we had done in class for the previous 2 years (that was only half the marks available though, would have likely been an A with the exam).

I also got a splitting migraine and slept through one exam (that I really didn't need, it was a school requirement but I was doing 10 other exams anyway) after writing just my name and a sentence and I still got an F (which is a pass albeit the lowest one you can get) not a U basically because I showed up and took part even if it was the very bare minimum.

You've misunderstood. OP has said (in later posts) that he got grade 1s and 2s in his GCSEs. These are not normally considered passing grades for the purposes of moving on to higher level qualifications. (Most colleges seem to want 4 at a grade 3 or 4 or higher to study a btec level 2 qualification.). Separately, at a different school, he got Maths and English functional skills certificates, which OP has said are equivalent to GCSEs (presumably she means equivalent to GCSE's at a high enough grade for the college to count them).

Verytall · 26/01/2026 18:04

I'm not sure what you expect any college to do OP?

He's shown he's not academically capable,
He's shown he's not willing to work hard
He's shown he's willing to humiliate a more vulnerable pupil (vulnerable by being in a minority)

Why on earth do you think any college would want to take him, let alone put him on a better course? Because you said so?

ContentedAlpaca · 26/01/2026 18:04

Op, I really think this is the point at which you need to help him learn from his mistakes.
It's not easy having teenagers, they have this knack of being impulsive and doing their own thing, however, you can empathise with his feeling on the course while helping him to understand the reality of where he now is and what limited options he has.
Stick with this bit and by this time next year after a lovely long summer, he'll be much more where he wants to be.

ThreeHundredTakeOutCoffees · 26/01/2026 18:03

The question you ask in the first post, OP, about whether education has got much harder - no, not really. It is unusual to leave school with nothing but two Functional Skills qualifications (which are definitely not GCSEs - you have been misinformed on that). It is unusual to be excluded for racist bullying. And for him to sit all his exams and pass none of them in the school he was moved to suggests that his long history of disruptive behaviour in lessons resulted in him learning nothing for five years.

Did he actually show up to all his exams? Even when I taught bottom set, the ones who turned up got a grade even if they didn't hit a 4 or a D (before the grades became numerical). Yes, a few of them got an F/G or 1/2 - those were the kids who really could hardly read or write, or the ones who really struggled for various reasons. It was only the couple of kids who sacked off the papers altogether and went and got stoned in the woods when the exams were on who came out with no grade at all (and they were capable of passing, they were just on a self-destruct mission).

I suspect there might be a lot you aren't aware of, and if you've mainly got your son's side of the story then I think his behaviour has been a lot worse than you realise. If he wants to succeed one day in business, he will have to knuckle down to get the qualifications required and he will have to understand the severity of the racist behaviour because that would get him sacked in a heartbeat. He needs to know that and he needs to know why that is. Dismissing it as teenage horseplay doesn't help him at all.

magicalmadmadamim · 26/01/2026 18:01

Alltheyellowbirds · 26/01/2026 17:45

Ridiculing a Muslim boy while he was praying and then putting it on TikTok for more people to ridicule him? I’m sorry but that absolutely is bullying. And discrimination..

In my book it’s far worse than the chair throwing and other things you consider more worthy of expulsion.

You seem incredibly laissez-faire about everything.

He didn't put it online somebody else did. It was long gone by the time i found out which was less than 24 hours later. There was no malicious intent and they are still friends.

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Jackiepumpkinhead · 26/01/2026 17:57

I had to have 5 A-C GCSE’s to study for a BTEC at college in 1997. It’s not unreasonable at all.

Scared0112 · 26/01/2026 17:54

Your kid sounds a bloody nightmare, his dad works long hours and you’re “doing what you can from a distance” - I’m guessing you don’t live local to him.

OP, sorry but it’s time to take off the rose tinted glasses of your precious boy. He’s a disruptive student at best, a naive racist at worse (the Muslim child being his ‘friend’ is neither here nor there. It’s racist whether meant maliciously or not)
He’s failed his GCSEs and frankly, needs to buck up his ideas.

He needs more parental involvement and guidance that doesn’t come from his mum with a “boys will be boys gosh everyone’s so hard on you!” Approach.

skyeisthelimit · 26/01/2026 17:52

They need a certain number of passes to show that they are capable of applying themself to the work or there is no point in them doing the course. DD needed 5 GCSE's to get onto an Acting course, due to the level of writing. They had to have maths and English as 2 of those.

Your son clearly didn't bother with school. If he has done these qualifications now then maybe he wants to change things. He can turn that around with college courses if he applies himself and works hard. There are various Level 2 courses that lead on to a Level 3 the following year. It means 3 years at college, but could get him qualificiations. Or he does a Level 2 and then finds an apprenticeship. But he will need good attendance at college.

If he is finding it boring, could he talk to the tutor who might be able to give him some different/harder work?

For the record,DD has various SEN and struggled at school and got 8 GCSE passes from 4-8, failing only French which we totally expected. If your DS didn't get 1 GCSE then something seriously went wrong through his entire education.

and I agree with PP, you are totally minimising his behaviour that got him expelled. Schools quite rightly clamp down on racist bullying.

AelinAG · 26/01/2026 17:50

I’m not going to get into his behaviour but.

He needs to knuckle down and pass the year, and then try to get up to 5GCSEs next year. He should have a tutor in college you can speak to.

After that, he could look at T Levels.

TeenToTwenties · 26/01/2026 17:50

In the absence of anything else he should commit to finishing the year.

Then depending what qualification he gets from that he can move up a level.
Then in his third year he can go up a level again.

The really good thing is that because he has the FS Maths and English at level 2 he doesn't have to spend time in GCSE maths and English lessons unless he wants to. Depending what his academic ability and his motivation actually is it may or may not be worth trying to get these at GCSE.

If this year he is on a level 1 course (sorry if I missed it), then next year he could do a Level 2 Diploma which is 'equivalent' to 4 GCSEs at grade 4+. Then he still gets a 3rd year at college for free.

BalladOfBarryAndFreda · 26/01/2026 17:50

I hope this thread is giving you food for thought, OP.

RedToothBrush · 26/01/2026 17:49

I would love to know what his grades for effort and attainment as well as behaviour have been since yr6.

I'm fairly sure they'd be a pattern of absolute shocking given this additional information.

OP clearly is in complete denial.

metalbottle · 26/01/2026 17:48

magicalmadmadamim · 26/01/2026 17:02

Bullying is a bit steep, they were friends.

I doubt the bullied kid thinks they are friends.....

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 26/01/2026 17:47

OP, most parents teach their children from a young age that actions have consequences. In the absence of effective parenting, your ds is having to learn this the hard way.

NovaF · 26/01/2026 17:46

magicalmadmadamim · 26/01/2026 17:02

Bullying is a bit steep, they were friends.

that makes it even worse that they were friends. How humiliating for his friend.

so in a nutshell you son has been neglected by his parents - the one he lived with working all the time and then his mother elsewhere.

I am not surprised he has acted out being the class clown for attention. You have repeatedly excused his poor behaviour. I was born in August and have 8 GCSE’s. If the whole year got poor GCSE’s I would be wondering why the school were unable to teach students to achieve them, and what parents were doing to support their children to hep them achieve this.

noone will employe him no matter what course he takes of he continues to act like this.

Alltheyellowbirds · 26/01/2026 17:45

magicalmadmadamim · 26/01/2026 17:02

Bullying is a bit steep, they were friends.

Ridiculing a Muslim boy while he was praying and then putting it on TikTok for more people to ridicule him? I’m sorry but that absolutely is bullying. And discrimination..

In my book it’s far worse than the chair throwing and other things you consider more worthy of expulsion.

You seem incredibly laissez-faire about everything.

CactusSwoonedEnding · 26/01/2026 17:45

Getting 5 GCSE passes at grade 4+ is the baseline required by pretty much all employers and further education providers for someone to show they have enough sense to absorb fairly simple information and follow instructions. If someone only has 2 then it sends a clear message that either that person is really very stupid or they are really not at all motivated to put any effort into academic achievement. Wouldn't it be more sensible for your son to spend a year or 2 reaching that baseline standard and getting a sensible number of GCSEs and then progress to the next level once that step is done. The point of GCSEs is that they are a general spread of knowledge over a wide range of subjects - your son may not thrive in business if he is so ignorant of every realm of human knowledge.

NovaF · 26/01/2026 17:45

magicalmadmadamim · 26/01/2026 17:02

Bullying is a bit steep, they were friends.

that makes it even worse that they were friends. How humiliating for his friend.

so in a nutshell you son has been neglected by his parents - the one he lived with working all the time and then his mother elsewhere.

I am not surprised he has acted out being the class clown for attention. You have repeatedly excused his poor behaviour. I was born in August and have 8 GCSE’s. If the whole year got poor GCSE’s I would be wondering why the school were unable to teach students to achieve them, and what parents were doing to support their children to hep them achieve this.

noone will employe him no matter what course he takes of he continues to act like this.

Ewock · 26/01/2026 17:43

magicalmadmadamim · 26/01/2026 17:02

Bullying is a bit steep, they were friends.

Not steep at all.
Bullying someone over their religion, recording it and posting it online, so now including cyber bullying.
You are either in denial or truly not a nice person. I would be disgusted if either of my dc did anything like that.
The school excluded him in order to jeep the other pupil safe from their bullying. Vile behaviour from your ds. Hope this teaches him a lesson

Ilikethebutterybiscuitbase · 26/01/2026 17:43

HarshbutTrue2 · 26/01/2026 17:28

There's some fibs/misconceptions/misunderstandings here.
Functional skills is not a gcse equivalent. It is lower. As part of his college course he needs to retake gcse English and Maths. Fact. If he does not pass them this summer he will have to retake them again next year. Fact.
If he wastes his time this year, the college may not accept him back next year. Fact. If he goes to another college next year he will still have to retake his gcse English and Maths. Fact.
I bet the courses that he finds boring are his GCSEs.
Your son lives with your husband, who works long hours. Who is supervising him? Who is checking that he is attending college? Who is checking whether he is running amok? Who is monitoring his friendship groups? Who is checking that he is completing his college work? I think we all know the answer.
Your son failed all of his gcses. I think we can agree that he made no attempt to pass them. No revision. No application to his studies in year 10 and 11.
He is only equipped to take level 1 business studies. fact. He needs gcse English and Maths in order to be equipped for Level 2.
Apprenticeships are usually only open to kids who have an aptitude or are pleasant and hardworking. Fact. There's no end of kids lusting for an apprenticeship. Employers can afford to be fussy. Fact. Apprentices cost money, employers aren't going to waste money on some kid with a poor record and generally cba. Fact. Teachers have no end of hard working kids that they are going to recommend before promoting your child. fact.
Best get in touch with the college to discuss all this. I think you are in for an unpleasant surprise.

Good spot-I didn’t see that he’s done functional skills not actual two GCSEs. Very confusing for sure! He should be doing resit English/maths at college realistically. There’s surely a certain point of it being a paid resit too if he doesn’t pass. Not sure how it works at college though; 6th form resits get 4 attempts essentially January and July of both year 12 and 13 but that’s to study level 3 and they have to have passed 1 of the the two gcse eng/maths if they haven’t met the full requirements.

Taweofterror · 26/01/2026 17:39

Do you feel a lot of guilt about him or something op? Is that why you're constantly making excuses for him? You've assumed that college are being unfair to him, seemingly without even knowing very much about his actual grades, what he's doing in college or the business studies qualification he wants to do.

You may think you're helping him by always being 'on his side' but you're not. He needs proper guidance from you not unending sympathy

housethatbuiltme · 26/01/2026 17:38

magicalmadmadamim · 26/01/2026 13:26

Let me explain.
After his expulsion he was not allowed back except so sit his gcses. he did them but did not pass these.
During the last 2 months of term he attended a different school where he took the english and maths functional skills which we were told are gcse equivalent and liked by employers.

This doesn't make sense.

He was enrolled in the normal amount of GCSEs, showed up and sat them but only has 2?

What happened to the rest?

You could walk in a write 'I am a fish' 100 times and still likely get a 1 (F grade) in GCSE. It's actually almost impossible to get no grade.

My school forgot to schedule a test on the time table and the WHOLE school missed it (they didn't realize and raise it until after the start time when no one had shown up) but I still got a grade C GCSE based off the course work component we had done in class for the previous 2 years (that was only half the marks available though, would have likely been an A with the exam).

I also got a splitting migraine and slept through one exam (that I really didn't need, it was a school requirement but I was doing 10 other exams anyway) after writing just my name and a sentence and I still got an F (which is a pass albeit the lowest one you can get) not a U basically because I showed up and took part even if it was the very bare minimum.

Passingthrough123 · 26/01/2026 17:38

To echo what PP have said, Functional Skills is not GCSE equivalent. You're getting it confused with Foundation GCSE, where the highest grade you can get is a 5. I'm surprised the school he was moved to after his exclusion didn't make that clear to him or to you.

If he's only got FS, he needs to start at BTech Level 1 – at my daughter's college you can get onto that with FS and then work your way up. She's doing Level 2 in her chosen subject and if she passes at the end of this year, that will be the equivalent of four more GCSEs. Then she'll move to Level 3.

What you need to find out is whether his college offers Level 1 in Business Studies and if it doesn't, what Level 1 course would they recommend as a gateway he can do that while resitting Maths and English at Foundation Level, because it's really worth him doing that. Then he can progress to Level 2 and 3. Yes, it's a longer path, but this is where he's at and he needs to stop messing about and knuckle down.

RedToothBrush · 26/01/2026 17:38

Satsuma55 · 26/01/2026 17:31

Oh... he's a switched on techy nerd, an aspiring chef and now a comedy genius .
Ffs op, wake up. He's been a lazy , spoilt bully. He's shafted his GCSE'S , he's bored in the lessons because it's not challenging enough?
No , he lacks discipline and guidance from his parents. Get to work , stop excusing his behaviour and attitude, you are responsible for this shit show.

What he did was criminal behaviour.

Saying it's teenage horseplay is beyond contempt.

I was willing to give the benefit of the doubt but what he did and the way he did it - when a student was at prayer and then it being put on tiktok - the school will have had little choice but to expel in line with a zero tolerance policy.

Far from being unfair, given he's well above the age of criminal responsibility it's lucky that the school left it there.