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To think that this makes no sense at all and completely defeats the point of it?

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WineInMyBelly · 25/01/2026 13:31

I have 2 children with SEN, both children attend a specialist SEN school. I’ve made a flexible working request in work (I don’t work in education. I work as a marketing manager for a global company) to work term time school hours only. My flexible working request has been approved. But now my line manager and HR are both saying that the term time/school holidays will be based on the school holidays for LA schools in our area and not my children’s specific SEN school. The school holidays for my children’s school vary slightly from the school holidays for the local LA schools though! I’ve queried this with my manager and HR but they won’t budge on it at all. I had assumed a term time contract meant that I would be working when my children are in school and off when they are not in school but obviously that won’t happen now! AIBU to think this makes no sense at all and completely defeats the point of me having requested term time working?

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TwinklySquid · 28/01/2026 23:20

I’d 100% talk to ACAS.

Flexible working requests should be based on personal circumstances . Your personal circumstances require you to have time off when your children are home. It makes no sense to have these requests when your kids aren’t home.
It feels like they are trying to make it difficult for you. Do you think they are trying to make you out?

WhereYouLeftIt · 28/01/2026 00:24

WineInMyBelly · 25/01/2026 13:52

I have already sent HR and my manager the term dates for my children’s school but they just keep saying it’s based on the LA term dates and won’t budge.

@saraclara and @cowandplough, you ask "Did they know/did you inform them your school holidays differed from the norm".

I have to ask - did either of you read all the OP's posts, or just the first one? Because had you done so, you wouldn't have had to ask a question she answered two days ago (25/01/2026 13:52).

It's really easy to check if the thread has moved on before responding, just click on the 'See all' in the bottom right corner of any of OP's posts.

To think that this makes no sense at all and completely defeats the point of it?
saraclara · 27/01/2026 21:25

cowandplough · 27/01/2026 21:17

Did they know/did you inform them your school holidays differed from the norm.

You beat me to it. I was going to ask the same.

cowandplough · 27/01/2026 21:17

Did they know/did you inform them your school holidays differed from the norm.

Geneticsbunny · 27/01/2026 21:07

Sorry, I haven't read the whole thread but I would just put in a parental leave request for the overlapping weeks where you aren't officially off. That will solve your issue and show how stupid they are being.

PurpleThistle7 · 27/01/2026 21:03

I think the first question I’d have is if there are therefore 3.5 weeks you’d be off work and the kids would be at school. The independent schools near me have longer school days and longer holidays so a term time contract would be quite different depending on which.

MellersSmellers · 27/01/2026 20:58

Very weird. You'd think it would help them out to accommodate you as many other parents will be wanting time off in the LA school holidays.

Sometimessmiling · 27/01/2026 18:50

WineInMyBelly · 25/01/2026 13:47

It just completely defeats the point of me having made a flexible working request for term time only if I’m now still going to be working even when my children are off sometimes.

Isn't it a bit better than not having term time agreement at least you will get more time off than you would. It's a shame but the company are meeting you part of the way

WhereYouLeftIt · 26/01/2026 17:38

Well done OP. I hope ACAS were helpful.

WineInMyBelly · 26/01/2026 12:46

I’ve emailed HR and my manager asking for the policy and I’m just about to call ACAS now.

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WineInMyBelly · 25/01/2026 21:11

Moonnstarz · 25/01/2026 17:00

Where is the children's father? I get that you are a single parent, but surely some of this time could be with him?

He’s not involved and he now lives overseas.

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WineInMyBelly · 25/01/2026 21:10

WhereYouLeftIt · 25/01/2026 16:56

Insist on a copy of the policy. Drop the phrases 'constructive dismissal' and 'employment tribunal' into conversation, because that honestly looks to be where they're pushing you.

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I will do thank you. I’m going to ask for the policy tomorrow.

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WineInMyBelly · 25/01/2026 19:52

jetlag92 · 25/01/2026 17:09

Just take parental leave at those times.

I can’t unfortunately. I don’t have enough left.

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WineInMyBelly · 25/01/2026 18:42

Keepingittogetherstepbystep · 25/01/2026 18:14

Can you look up the difference in the holidays and point out dates you'll be at home when the kids are at school and vice versa. Sometimes seeing it in visually makes it more understandable.

It doesn't make sense if your off due to la term dates but your kids are at school.

This is definitely one of those make it make sense scenarios.

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I did this in a meeting with HR and my manager and they still insisted on using the LA term dates.

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WineInMyBelly · 25/01/2026 18:41

I don’t have enough parental leave left either unfortunately so that’s not an option either.

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WineInMyBelly · 25/01/2026 18:40

Catlover77 · 25/01/2026 18:18

I’d submit a formal grievance based on indirect disability discrimination

I’ll ask ACAS about it tomorrow

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Catlover77 · 25/01/2026 18:18

I’d submit a formal grievance based on indirect disability discrimination

Keepingittogetherstepbystep · 25/01/2026 18:14

Can you look up the difference in the holidays and point out dates you'll be at home when the kids are at school and vice versa. Sometimes seeing it in visually makes it more understandable.

It doesn't make sense if your off due to la term dates but your kids are at school.

This is definitely one of those make it make sense scenarios.

StripyHorse · 25/01/2026 18:08

WineInMyBelly · 25/01/2026 14:08

My children’s SEN school is an independent school but it still has the same number of weeks holiday as a state school. But over the year there is 3.5 weeks difference in terms of the timing of those holidays. So there will be 3.5 weeks where I’m working but my children will be off school! So it completely defeats the point of me ever having made this flexible working request in the first place!

HR and my manager have said I won’t get any annual leave days anymore to book off during term time as my annual leave will now form part of the school holidays time off that I will have? Hopefully I’ve explained that clearly!

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Is the school aligned with their LA? So there is an easy reference point for them to check the dates (I.e. the LA website). It does seem petty that they won't align with that.

I am based in N Wales right next to the English border. I didn't look for teaching jobs over the border because of the holidays. In a typical year ...

  • October half term is often different.(5)
  • Christmas usually aligns - although there may be a few days either side that don't.(3)
  • February half term is often different.(5)
  • Easter neighbouring LA takes 1st 2 weeks of April, Wales always takes the week leading up to and following Easter weekend. (5)
  • Whit half term aligns (0)
  • Summer holiday often starts later in neighbouring LA as the Easter holidays are longer when the Easter Bank Holidays are not in the 1st 2 weeks of April (2).

So in an average year, there are still 20 days different holidays. In OPs case, she would be at home, unpaid without DC for 20 days, while having 20 days childcare to find.

WineInMyBelly · 25/01/2026 18:08

I’ll also speak to ACAS tomorrow too and also ask them how best to approach the equality act argument with HR as I’m not sure what the best way to raise that with my manager and HR is?

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WineInMyBelly · 25/01/2026 18:06

HankyP · 25/01/2026 17:52

I would 100% ask for a copy of the policy. They have no reason to say no whilst it applies to your situation!

I’ll ask them for the policy tomorrow

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Winter2020 · 25/01/2026 18:00

Hi OP,
I agree with some other suggestions that you could ask the company to make a "reasonable adjustment" to their usual policy under the Disability Discrimination Act based on the fact that you have two children with a disability (EHCPs) and it is more difficult to get childcare for them due to their needs and high ratio of adults needed. You can assure them that the term dates can be given in advance.

Another possibility is requesting parental leave.
https://www.gov.uk/parental-leave/entitlement

Unpaid parental leave

Employer and employee guide to unpaid parental leave - eligibility, how much leave can be taken and notice periods, postponing leave

https://www.gov.uk/parental-leave/entitlement

HankyP · 25/01/2026 17:52

WineInMyBelly · 25/01/2026 15:10

HR and my manager just keep saying because it’s their “policy” (but they haven’t actually given me a copy of that policy) and because “that’s how term time contracts work, they are based on the LA term dates”.

I would 100% ask for a copy of the policy. They have no reason to say no whilst it applies to your situation!

Uhghg · 25/01/2026 17:41

It seems silly but I had a remote TTO job and they set the holidays to their LA holidays even though my DCs school was different as we’re in a different area.

I told them but they said that’s the rules type thing and so I do wonder if it’s protocol.

I didn’t push it as I didn’t need full childcare but I don’t think they would have budged either.

Are you valued there?
Could you explain that you may need to look for another role due to childcare?

The trouble is OP, they have been very flexible and TTO jobs are incredibly difficult to come by - I would ask but be careful that I’m not rocking the boat too much.

HeNeedsRehab · 25/01/2026 17:34

Are the number of days you need off the same as the LA term dates? So LA dates are 14 weeks and you need 14 weeks just at different times?

If so, they do seem to be being unnecessarily awkward about the whole thing.

I’d have said if anything is MORE of a benefit to the business to agree to your term dates because presumably you have other team members who would want half terms off too, so the overlap with you and them would be lessened?

Assuming your school publishes its term dates in advance you’d know probably for the next 18 months when you’d be off, it doesn’t feel like a difficult thing to manage

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