To go LC with PILs because FIL voted for Trump?

Well then respect to you for sticking to your political guns!

I know. It's depressing.

Doesn't like a third of the entire UK support reform though? Thats a lot of people you have to write off because of their political stance?

You can disagree but the reality is regardless of party, most politicians are a complete waste of space, you just have to look a both the previous and current governments to see they were/are both completely useless. You have career politicians who have never done a real days work in their lives, making decisions for departments they don't understand or have any knowledge of, which have seen first hand with an MPs child in my DD class.

Trump is an idiot, but to try to compare him with leaders that committed genocide is just ridiculous and as per my original post is way over the top.

Massive overreaction. You sound a bit judgmental OP.

I wouldn't want my family or friends to go low contact with me just because of my ideas. What's wrong with freedom of thought?

No, of course I don't believe that anyone who disagrees with my politics is morally reprehensible. I have plenty of disagreements with friends and family where we are happy to agree to disagree.

But there are views which I do find morally reprehensible. Support for Trump falls into that category for me. So does support for Reform UK.

Can you genuinely say that you have no red lines at all that people could cross with regard to their beliefs which would make you question whether or not you wanted to carry on associating with them? I can accept that your red lines might be drawn differently to mine, but I find it hard to get my head around the idea that there wouldn't be any beliefs at all that might make you question a person's morality.

If we’re being extreme about it… do you really believe that anyone who disagrees with any of your politics is morally reprehensible?

in the ops example, PIL are kind to her, have supported them with their home, and the children love them.

much better to teach the kids that the world is not black and white, good people sometimes say or do bad things, or bad people can say or do good things.

Kids are likely to come across people much more bigoted in their life so worth using any outbursts as a lesson/ discussion point later.

unless they are openly bad or racist of course.

I strongly disagree. All parties and all politicians are categorically not all as bad as each other, and it's really dangerous to adopt that line of thinking. It is certainly what some politicians want you to believe, however.

And yes, the examples that I've given are indeed extreme. Fwiw, I believe that the current situation in the US is extreme. But regardless, the point is that most of us will draw a line somewhere. We all have limits as to what we are and are not willing to tolerate.

Those are extreme examples, I have friends/family that support different views, even my DH and I lean in slightly different directions.

The real issue today is all politicians and parties are pretty much as bad as each other...

Do you genuinely believe that all political views should be tolerated, no matter how much harm they might do?

What about Nazism in 1930s Germany, for example? Would you have tolerated people who supported Hitler because they were "entitled to their views"? What about the supporters of apartheid in South Africa?

There is really no hope for humanity if so many people are willing to just turn a blind eye.

Absolutely this 100%

This is so over the top, what happened to tolerance? You might not agree their views, but they are entitled to their own views and lived experiences. As long as they aren't forcing their views on you, I don't see the issue.

I assume you are not from the US, so difficult having a view from the outside. I have American friends, some hate him and other think what he is doing is great for USA, like the UK is very divided.

I can understand if you feel your family will suffer detriment. I doubt he is wishing that on you. I really do believe there's a moral panic about Reform. Sorry, meant Trump but my original point still stands.

Sounds like his hatred of immigrants is stronger than any love that he might have for his family. How awful. But perhaps it is better to know how little he actually cares.

@Kingscallops we do try to avoid discussing it but he brought it up. He can absolutely vote for who he wants, it just feels shit when he will knowingly vote for a party that has the potential to really make us struggle as a family and he’s not bothered if we do struggle.

@thepariscrimefiles not in exact words but he said he will be voting reform as will most people he knows at the next election and DH pointed out the ways it could really harm us as a family if they were in charge. FIL shrugged and said well something needs to be done about immigration. I’m done with him to be honest but DH whilst he is furious with him holds enough hope he wouldn’t actually vote for them.

Yes go low contact with them.... after you've returned the financial help otherwise you'd now doubt still be at odds with your morals and principles

So you would not cut anyone off for any political beliefs, no matter how morally objectionable you found them?

Perhaps you're one of those people who doesn't think that politics really matters because you don't believe it affects the lives of real people.

Or perhaps you would have limits on the political beliefs that you would accept, but Trump-style fascism hasn't crossed that limit (yet)?

Or perhaps you just don't really care about the morals of the people with whom you associate?

Each to their own, I suppose. I would personally find it hard to keep company with people who I considered to be morally reprehensible.

If I think you are presumptious, I'd be happy for you to turn your back on me.

I do cut off for bad behaviour.

…not for political beliefs.

it would be really inconvenient, difficult and silly to remove from my life anyone with different political viewpoints l.

I don’t want to live in a bubble where everyone has the same beliefs and experience and me- it would be life limiting and I’d never learn anything.

where do you draw the line? do you ask a potential new boss their political leanings at interview? Do you pull your kids out of school if the teacher won’t tell you who he voted for? What life sacrifices will you make in your pursuit against evil? how far does it go?

what does this responsibility for voting entail? Lots of my loved ones have regret on brexit now, not all though. There was a lot of misinformation at the time.

I’ve had many a political debate over wine and experience shows me if I show respect and listen to others views they show respect and listen to mine. Others have influenced me before so I expect sometimes I may influence others.

It really is isn't it. I would call it double standards. And sanctimonious.

I see that you've conveniently sidestepped my questions.

Anyway, I get it. You are happy to make excuses for people who vote for fascists because you want to believe that they are all decent people really. You're happy to carry on associating with people, no matter what horrors they may have voted for, because you think they've just been influenced by the media and their own life experience. And you wouldn't ever cut anyone off, no matter how unethically they behaved, because that would involve you deciding that you were better than them and you would never do that.

You are free to believe what you like. My own view is that democracy only stands a chance of delivering good governance if people feel at least some degree of responsibility for the choices that they make and if others are willing to take a stand against evil when it's staring them in the face.

We can agree to differ.

So he will still vote Reform even though they will make the lives of his grandchildren with SEN much worse? He actually said that he doesn't care if this happened?

I wouldn't invite him ever again. Let your husband visit him. That would be the end of my relationship with FIL.

Iran is a right-wing authoritarian theocracy so their brutal treatment of protesters is no surprise at all.

We don't expect a democratic country, an ally of the UK and a fellow member of Nato to behave in this brutal and illegal way by illegally murdering US citizens in cold blood.

put aside your pride and prejudice - accept that half the population of a country aren’t awful monsters and maybe have just been influenced by media or have a reason other than flagrant bigotry… I think I have to believe that.

accept if you were born a different time, under for example GB news on a lot of time it might actually shape your worldview and that wouldn’t make you a bad person…

or maybe you are just better than them and should seek your kind and create an island where you have all the same beliefs and ostracise an exclude anyone who doesn’t agree with you - even separate families to achieve this (as they are awful people). That doesn’t sound like a dictatorship at all..