If you had been Stephen.... (Traitors spoilers)

I absolutely think Rachel would have sold Stephen down the river if she'd been in the same position.

I wonder about this.

Rachel's masterstroke was convincing Stephen to remain in the pact even though she needed him much more than he needed her by the last few roundtables.

If the tables were turned and Stephen had as much heat on him as Rachel did towards the end, would she have created the narrative that she had no choice but to get him out? Quite possibly.

Stephen has definitely emerged looking like the lovely person he obviously is, which is worth more than money. So fair play to him.

They are clearly given a required 'kit list' - those all black outfits are all different and clearly from all over the place. I noticed that day and thought how there was such a mismatch of stuff which was clearly very old in some cases and brand new in others.

So yes it does look like some of them did go out and buy boots etc cos they don't have whilst others clearly did!

nah it’s her job and a type
she’d have thrown him under the bus if he was in firing line more than her

I would sell my soul to the devil and sell my children into slavery.

Yes but that doesn't say they ONLY wear their own clothes. I read an article that said they have a mix - they show the stylists their personal style beforehand and also get a few items to add to that. There will also be rules they have to follow like in almost any tv show - no visible logos (because of advertising rules), no t shirts with swearing/offensive styles etc.

If you honestly think they only wear their own stuff, what are the chances of all 5/6 of the last finalists happening to bring matching, all black training gear for the last 2 challenges? If you told 5 random people 'bring a selection of active wear' you'd have some people in hoodies and joggers, others in crop tops and shorts, all in different colours and patterns. Plus many people wouldn't have proper waterproof outdoor boots with sufficient grip etc.

I don't get why people are saying 'it's the game.' There is literally nothing in the game 'rules' or ethos saying that traitors have to double cross each other. The whole game is based around 'who will win, traitors or faithful,' not 'who will be the singular overall winner?' If the producers only wanted one traitor to win they could easily set that up, they obviously deliberately chose not to!

Same with 'Rachel wouldn't have done the same to him.' But she literally did! Not only did she voluntarily promise him she'd never write his name on her board, she had multiple opportunities to throw him under the bus but instead had his back when the heat was on him earlier. Obviously we'll never know for sure but people saying that tend to seem to be basing it on a quite misogynistic view of how "likeable" they found her rather than anything she actually did throughout the entire game.

I wouldn’t have been able to enjoy victory at all if I’d gone back on my promise - YANBU

You're outing yourself as someone who puts money above morals. What other morals would you cast aside for money?

Frankie from Series 3 said that she was lent some shoes and a belt. I expect they bring their own clothes then can borrow the odd item.

I think Stephen did the right thing. Having honourable Traitors has brought something new to the show and I think a lot of his future brand and potential earnings could come from being nice.

I think Rachel was just as deserving as him and I am glad he shared it.

I saw something online from Hope MacCauley saying they had been asked to supply a few pieces for the series. Their sales have rocketed since so I would believe that.
The contestants probably largely wear their own clothes.

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episodes/m001ty6w/the-traitors-uncloaked

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/brand/p0h0q056

Does anyone know how to watch the after show ? Podcast one

Even if someone isn't on social media and doesn't read tabloids, you still have to look your friends, family and colleagues in the face.

I wouldn't want to be hated on the internet but could go offline until things had died down. What I would find more difficult, is people that I care about thinking less of me - and that's apart from the fact that if I didn't act with integrity, I'd be disappointed in myself.

I wonder how much that affects various players’ behaviour. I’d quite like to go on the traitors, but have absolutely zero interest in growing my social media following (which is currently non existent since I don’t have instagram) or getting any work after that. So maybe I’d act differently.

I still wouldn’t want to be hated by the whole internet though!

He made it much easier for him to grow in fame on social media or within the BBC - Mina is regularly on Radio 1 etc and doing other hosting gigs so Stephen was wise to share

I think it's a shame that you think moral integrity is only important in certain situations but I suppose everyone has different values and standards. I don't think that there's anything stupid in sticking to an agreement and supporting someone who has supported you, even in a game show.

(Edited to correct a typo)

I would have loved to have taken all the money and I wouldn't really care what the other cast members thought about it.

BUT... social media is bastard and you know you run the risk of being Britains most hated or something. Just look at what happened to 'nasty' Nick!

I believe Rachel helped him get to the final

Absolutely no way would i have gone against Rachel. After all, I'd realise that she carried me to the final & i knew she'd never do it to me

The BBC article on the Traitors fashion says this and I quote:

Contestants on The Traitors bring in their own clothes and style their outfits themselves

Yep, it's stupid to try to apply moral values you hold in everyday life to behaviour in a game show.

I wouldn’t have made that promise to Rachel in the first place. She was very cutthroat and would absolutely not have honoured it herself. Anyone else and I would have kept it but with Rachel it was tissue thin.