Are all fathers creepy?

Predatory men may be fathers, husbands, uncles, brothers and sons

This is what I am getting from the OP too. Definitely a man.

For reference - it's this one:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5480228-dads-using-female-communal-changing-room

And I agree that it's inappropriate - I just disagree with the opinion that this must be some kind of pervert. He might just be ignorant, used to pools were mixed changing was common or simply did not think.

But that's obviously an extreme case - I was more wondering about the general suspicion many mothers have towards fathers (fathers with children present, obviously).

I just wonder whether one could find a way to make it easier for everyone involved - but I can't see an obvious solution.

Wouldn't a predominantly female site be the place to learn and understand? I don't necessarily know what makes you feel uncomfortable.

Not exactly the same but my brothers wife died and he bought up the new born baby, when my niece was 7 she was doing a Ballet performance, he just innocently went back stage to collect her (when all parents told to do so by the Ballet teacher) some girls were getting changed behind screens, he quickly left, a couple of mothers weren't happy but all he was doing was getting his daughter.

He always said to me, not in anyway in relation to the above incident "Its a Womans World bring up a child in the UK, they say they want dads to be more involved but they moment they are, they don't like it and feel threatened"

Lives in Sweden now, they simply do not have these debates about how "creepy" men are, his Swedish wife's argument is this "UK mothers bought up these men...."

It seems to be sensible to leave it here - there is nothing new and I appreciate that I have overstayed my welcome. I was never my intention to cause so much upset - I was asking a genuine question, but clearly this caused more upset than necessary.

Thank you to those who actually gave helpful answers. And I'm sorry to those who felt that my comments were inappropriate - this was not my intention, but I do believe I should explain when I feel that i'm misunderstood.

women are on high alert and will stick together, alert each other, question any male and their behaviour in the area

Hopefully the men will tell them where to go if they act as judge and jury regarding any man in their orbit! My late husband was harangued by a sanctimonious posse as he sat on a bench on the edge of a playground with his Kindle, he didn't raise his head or speak a word so obviously they got more and more hysterical, (I do know that word's derivation and use it deliberately). When I arrived with our granddaughter, having been to the loo and the ice cream shop, they didn't have the guts to even apologise. Not doubt the MNers will support the harridans!

So, just to be sure that I understand the situation here....

The question is 'are all fathers creepy?' 'All' fathers. 100% of dads.

And right now, half of Mumsnet - so one person in two - thinks that that's a reasonable proposition. Half of Mumsnetters think it's reasonable to say that all fathers - including their own - is creepy.

....fucking hell.

"The fact you think you need to read emotions to not harass women"

Some people really struggle with reading other people's emotions. It is not nice and makes life difficult, but unfortunately there's not much one can do about apart from learning.

It seems to be sensible to leave it here - there is nothing new and I appreciate that I have overstayed my welcome. I was never my intention to cause so much upset - I was asking a genuine question, but clearly this caused more upset than necessary.

Thank you to those who actually gave helpful answers. And I'm sorry to those who felt that my comments were inappropriate - this was not my intention, but I do believe I should explain when I feel that i'm misunderstood.

It seems to be sensible to leave it here - there is nothing new and I appreciate that I have overstayed my welcome. I was never my intention to cause so much upset - I was asking a genuine question, but clearly this caused more upset than necessary.

Thank you to those who actually gave helpful answers. And I'm sorry to those who felt that my comments were inappropriate - this was not my intention, but I do believe I should explain when I feel that i'm misunderstood.

It seems to be sensible to leave it here - there is nothing new and I appreciate that I have overstayed my welcome. I was never my intention to cause so much upset - I was asking a genuine question, but clearly this caused more upset than necessary.

Thank you to those who actually gave helpful answers. And I'm sorry to those who felt that my comments were inappropriate - this was not my intention, but I do believe I should explain when I feel that i'm misunderstood.

So, just to be sure that I understand the situation here....

The question is 'are all fathers creepy?' 'All' fathers. 100% of dads.

And right now, half of Mumsnet - so one person in two - thinks that that's a reasonable proposition. Half of Mumsnetters think it's reasonable to say that all fathers - including their own - is creepy.

....fucking hell.

I have the impression there are a lot of creeps here - or people who love to believe that other people are creeps. There also appear to be a lot of people who clearly struggle to entertain a disinterested discussion.

It's the "go back for a different size" that is my question. How do I get this into the cubicle?