Are all fathers creepy?

What a ludicrous statement 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

How?🙊

Here we go again, a man expecting us to centre men’s hurt feelings about potentially being the target of female suspicion, rather than thinking for a second about the commonplace violence, rape, and routine sexual harassment that causes this suspicion in the first place.

It’s all part of the same bloody entitlement. Women! Why aren’t you making my life easier and more pleasant? Can’t you see you are wrong and probably discriminatory? Now simmer down give us a smile.

Most men are creeps behind closed doors

No, obviously not. A minority of men are horrible, MN would just have you believe it’s the vast majority.

If you see an adult struggling with a child screaming their head off.. and did nothing... and it later turned out to be a kidnapping, everyone would ask "Why did no one do anything?"

Its a no win situation. Although I'm pretty sure kidnappers wouldn't bother with a child seat in a car!

The OPs play park example sounds complete wierd but none of us were there. We don't know the exact chain of events.

Just be ignorant

Bullshit. Excusing men is what gets women raped or killed.

Women aren’t here to be kind to random men, even ones at playgroup.

ahem, thanks? Who said they were? We are not here to be kind to random women either as it happens 😂

• Being rude to men seems to be women not smiling and entertaining them in a lot of cases* don't patronise me, I have been dealing with other girls all my life, I can recognise rudeness in other women.

Being rude as in being rude, tutting, rolling their eyes, and being very obviously very childishly unpleasant. I've even seen one pointing and whispering at my husband and overheard one saying to the nurse: how are men allowed here

It was pathetic

Well you just said you do understand why we are more wary.

Then go on to say you 'want to understand'?

Ask other men why they treat women so poorly.

I think it's very amusing that you can't understand why women might feel hostile towards men OP.

Are you a bit daft? Maybe google male violence against women crime figures ....

It not rocket science or anything mysterious. Men are predatory. Against women, children, and yes - other men.

I don’t know which men are dangerous and, statistically, enough are that I need to be worried about it. I believe the men in my family to be safe because they have given me no reason to doubt them. Random men in women’s changing rooms have given me no reason to trust them.

Where did he 'try to justify men in women's spaces'? He didn't condone the man in the changing room, and I agree he shouldn't have mentioned it. However, a playground or baby group is not a 'women's space'. If it is, then women can't complain that men don't do any childcare!

You’ll have people cos on here saying they’re dads aren’t they are the greatest etc etc. they wouldn’t know. Most men are creeps

@BubblesandTiara and I have seen so many women rudely behaving towards a dad at playgroup or baby clinic because it was a MALE - and I don't mean a breastfeeding group, I mean a normal baby clinic to check their weight, or a baby group for babies and toddlers.

Men aren't allowed to show affection or squeal with delight when they're around something cute, like a puppy or toddler. Any such expression of emotion would undoubtedly draw bemused expressions of disgust, and suspicion, from any women in the area.

So when men are spending time with children, or babies, they have to force a neutral expression, and act as though they are spending time with their children out of duty, rather than because they want to. Because men expressing affection is creepy.

... and then women react with wide-eyed surprise whenever it turns out that they're expected to be the primary caregiver for their children, rather than the father.

OP mentioned it in his post and has tried to justify men in women’s spaces. We’re not ‘sidetracked’, we’re telling him that he’s wrong. He wants to come to a predominantly women forum and speak his man point of view and for us to decide he’s right. Fuck that.

Do women accidentally find themselves in the men's changing rooms because they have their son with them, and do they continue to stay there once more men and boys start changing in there. No , I didn't think so.

I wonder if OP is attracting suspicion because of his manner or attitude.
Being wary of men, as I am, is perfectly compatible with being polite to them and not making them feel unnecessarily uncomfortable.

DH doesn't "enjoy" being at the playground either. Most adults don't. Theyre designed for children. But most loving parents will tolerate them so that their kids can have a run around and play on the equipment. Simply being in a playground doesnt make a man a creep.

All fathers are not creepy. Men who enter women's changing rooms are likely to be creepy and/or overly entitled boundary pushers however. My ex husband managed to take his daughter out and about including swimming without ever entering a women's toilet or changing room and fully understood why he shouldn't. HTH.

Family or Group changing room.

If only they existed ..... 🙄

“What would you have done if your son had an accident in the men's toilet?”
what kind of accident? Are you even a parent? You allow your opposite sex child into such areas AFTER they know how to dress undress themselves and know to come to you at the door if they need help (assuming you mean urine/stool accident) you take close note of the time and are ready to enter if more than a few seconds, and listen for crying should they slip. You know the environment (50 boys all changing after swim lesson, vs airport washroom) some of this is simply being alert to fucken creepy men. Shit women learn to watch out for from age zero.