Are all fathers creepy?

You were told

NO

on the other thread.

You've started a thread about a thread to try and get women to agree with you.

This answer is still NO men should not be allowed in female changing rooms, cos there are naked girls going through puberty in them.

Men who don't get the message that this is creepy behaviour are by defintion creepy.

This is not saying all fathers are creepy. Its saying that men that disregard women saying no and don't think girls should have privacy and dignity which is their legal right under the Equality Act are abusive pricks and that men who think they are entitled to use female changing rooms are creepy fuckers.

I hope this clarifies things further since you didn't get the message first time around.

It’s always the bad ones that do it. The good ones don’t argue with women about this. They’ve listen and learnt, whilst growing up and certainly before becoming fathers themselves. They call out men behaving badly and do everything possible to make themselves not appear as a threat to women.

I agree they can, but the reaction from some women was and still is ridiculous.
There are many women who are clearly convinced childcare is a female setting.

Comments on another thread from women who are horrified anyone could leave a baby with his own father are depressing

Can you find some statistics showing a woman being a threat to a man in a male changing room? In anyway?

So funny. It's clear what you are OP.

Toddle off Alex.

So agree.

Accessible facilities should be being provided for your son, he won't want to be in a state of undress around girls either.

@Alex122022 what “innocent” explanations? Mentally challenged or entitled prick?

How very sad (the playground bit).

Men / fathers play differently with children than women / mothers do. They encourage more risk-taking and push their kids to be more adventurous than mum’s typically do, which you’ll see at a playground.

Fathers should be encouraged to take their children to them, with or without their partners and women, IMO, should be happy to see them taking an active part in play.

What I find annoying is the amazing leeway men get given on here. “You expect them to know what’s needed to be done for a baby or for a house. Write them a list. Set out the outfits” “How can men possibly understand changing room etiquette?” Well,surely the words “WOMEN’S CHANGING ROOM” on the door is a bit of a giveaway! There’s always a lot of talk about men hate on here. I reckon there’s far more men appeasment.

So tired of men's victim complex and faux naivety " ooh why are women wary of me".

Literally never seen anyone be rude to men in a baby group and I have been to loads of groups - different ages, activities, demographic. My DH has taken all three of ours to various groups and never had a negative reaction.

Men can absolutely be hands on dads without being creepy or trampling on the rights of women.

My husband isn't a creep, in fact he works in a professional capacity with sex offenders and other such gentlemen . He would never enter a women's toilet or changing room unless an emergency eg a fire to rescue someone. Him understanding that highlights that he isn't a creep. There is no need for men in women's spaces, especially those which involve undressing.

Male rapists and murders and child molesters - they're all someone's son. Someone's brother. Often times someone's husband and someone's dad.

Being 'someone' to someone else doesn't mean a thing. I don't get the ''but i'm just an innocent dad'' angle here.

Indeed. Something very off about all this.

It’s not just fathers that seem to receive this treatment. Apparently I am not allowed to bring my autistic 10 year old son into the woman’s changing room With me because he might pose a threat. Never mind the threat that he might come across as a child alone in the male changing room

Don't be ridiculous.

Navigate your way through by using your empathy, grace and kindness.

Don't make yourself a victim. You say you understand why some women will be wary of you, so start there. You can't change it, so suck it up. Be nice. Be polite. Accept that it will take a bit longer for women to trust you, compared to if you were also a woman.

Just get on with it. Parent your kid and don't be bitter about stuff you can't control.

that sounds like a wish from a bitter person, thankfully it has nothing to do with real life and what most of us experience.

I can see exactly why you're up against women not exactly being welcoming of you. You would 100% have me on my guard as well.

Please, give me the statistics of women being in a man's space and sexually assaulting him, vs men in a woman's space and sexually assaulting her.

@BubblesandTiara but women are monitored and examined during pregnancy birth and after. fathers not so much.
neglectful parenting and child sexual abuse are different risk scenarios.

What a goady title.

🙄

He said they were just ignorant or just didn’t think so was justifying them. Then he went on about what he was possibly meant to do if he can’t go in the women’s toilets but his daughter needs him. NO MEN IN WOMENS SPACES!!!

98% of sexual offences are committed by men.